How do people get so fat?

You’re asking for a cite of common knowledge? I mean, most fat people aren’t fat because they eat salads and go on regular jogs… After all, there’s a reason obesity is a relatively recent problem in human society, especially right around the time where we have an abundance of high-fat, high-calorie food and busy schedules that we find trouble fitting exercise into.

And I have no prejudice. It’s just I find trouble sympathizing for people who essentially claim they have no control over what they pick up and insert into their mouth, chew, and then swallow. Of course I’m not talking about people who actually have legitimate medical conditions that prevent them from keeping weight off, but those people make up the minority, not the majority.

Yeah, I’ve done that. I even lost 40 pounds two years ago (gained it all back by now, I imagine), so I know very well that it can be done and how to do it. But I never, ever lost the deep urge to overeat. It just got worse. I can be full as a tick on beans and rice and greens, and I will wind up roaming around the house looking for anything at all to keep eating.

Ever get high and have really, really bad munchies? It’s like that all the time, all my life. I can control it some of the time. I flat out do not have the will to control it all the time, any more than most alcoholics can simply stop drinking. (I’m not trying to play the “oh pity me” card here, just trying to explain how it feels.)

A few hundred years ago it was ‘common knowledge’ the earth was flat, Brandon.

I haven’t remained very thin so far in life by eating salads and going on regular jogs. My best friend/ex-roommate, who eats less than I (and no, she is not a liar who binged when I wasn’t looking) and runs miles per day, is ‘obese’ by BMI standards.

In that case, he could easily have packed on another 100 pounds. I am just curious why he set the bar at 220 pounds, when he had been overweight for 45 pounds.

You are addicted to carbohydrates (rice, beans, greens are all carbs). Until you stop relying on them as your primary source of calories, you will never stop feeling hungry.

I suggest you try a high fat, low carb diet. There are many variations: paleolithic diet, primal diet, Atkins. I’ve seen it work again and again, not only for weight loss but also improving blood cholesterol levels, trigs, insulin resistance, fatigue.

marksdailyapple.com is a good place to start. There are lots of success stories, with pictures, for any skeptics.

Watching specials about obese people on TLC made me realize that a lot of the time, obese people don’t even realize how many calories a day they pack in. If obese people were to sit down and document every single thing they ate, and then calculated how many calories they expended on a daily basis, something tells me that their mysterious source of obesity would quickly be determined. Weight gain isn’t voodoo. It’s simple mathematics.

So now you’re suggesting Atkins, which is easily one of the unhealthiest “diets” out there?

I myself have a diet that could be described as ‘Atkins’. I am in perfect health, never get so much as a cold, and my bloodwork shows that everything is optimal (cholesterol, trigs, etc). I also have wonderful muscle tone with little effort and tons of energy. And the best skin of my life.

Don’t get me wrong, I know Conventional Wisdom and ‘common sense’ says that how I eat is ‘bad’. However, the people I know who eat ‘healthy’ (low-fat, lots of whole grains) don’t seem to enjoy the benefits I have since I adopted this way of eating.

No, but thanks. There is no way on god’s green earth that I am going to deliberately go on a high fat diet. For one, I’ve certainly had times when the majority of what I ate was fat and protein. (Did the urge to eat go away? No.) For another, I flat out can’t afford it. Lastly, I don’t trust it in the least. Anyway, I like beer too much for that. I lost 40 pounds in 4 months by eating low fat proteins, very little dairy, very little refined sugar, and lots of veggies, and I was still able to get in a good night or two a week of drinking with friends at shows. I felt great, aside from the chronic urge to eat more that had to be constantly guarded against. You can keep your high fat diet.

I did that a while back, too, but I didn’t change everything at once. It solved a lot of health problems for me and I don’t think I’ve ever felt better.

Another thing I noticed is that, not only do I rarely crave anything like doughnuts, but if I do buy a Twinkie or chicken nuggets, etc., it usually tastes like crap. And if I eat poorly for a few meals in a row (like when traveling or something) I notice a change in my energy level (for example, my performance when working out decreases noticeably) and sometimes my old friends like arthritis or heartburn will come back to visit. Even if I wanted to go back to eating the Standard American Diet (SAD), I would not be able to because the food tastes like crap and makes me feel like crap.

I’m not sure what you’re saying here. Calorie restriction most certainly leads to long-term weight loss. The problem is staying on a restricted diet.

On one hand I have sympathy for overweight people. I have my own addictions and I’m lucky that they aren’t too unhealthy. I can’t imagine how hard it is to constantly battle the urge to eat. There but for the grace of God…

However, I’m annoyed by the attitude that we (as a society) can’t criticize people who are fat. As we become more acceptant of obesity we become more obese. No matter what the cause, obesity is a problem and should be confronted.

Are you familiar with Darfur? Dachau?

Or the First Law of Thermodynamics.

:shrugs:

Regards,
Shodan

I’ve been on Atkins for close to ten years now and I’ve never been healthier. My blood pressure and chemistry are excellent, and my weight is so well controlled that when I started to gain weight over the last year it was a symptom of a medical problem. It turned out I had developed sleep apnea. Since I’ve been on CPAP for the last two months I lost a years worth of weight gain.

And I look at that Wiki page and wonder if the people who wrote it even looked at the Atkins diet. It is not, repeat, not a high protein diet. It is a high fat diet. I get 65% to 70% of my calories from fat. No sugar, no flour, no white potatoes.

Remember the fifties? A diet plate was a hamburger without the bun and a scoop of cottage cheese, and people were thin. Then all of a sudden everybody was supposed to eat more complex carbohydrates. They started to eat low fat everything and loaded up on sugars and starches. How’s that working out?

Well, not every body is the same. I only hit 220 briefly, I had been hovering around 210 for a few years, and a lot of my body mass is muscle as well. Big chest, biceps, etc.

People always seem to pop up in these types of threads and assert that lessening your caloric intake will not lead to weight loss, exercise does not lead to weight loss, the sky is green, up is down, etc. I really don’t understand this. Sure, for some people with metabolic disorders, weight gain isn’t strictly related to caloric intake/expenditure, but for most of us, it is.

I do think a lot of this has to do with people not really understanding how many calories they are consuming, as has already been pointed out in this thread. Before I started calorie tracking, I would have said that I ate maybe a little too much per day – nothing too excessive. Maybe 2500 calories a day or so if I had to estimate.

When I started actually tracking my calorie intake and including every single thing that I ate, including coffee creamers, condiments, and butter on my bread, I discovered that I had actually been eating somewhere in the range of 3000-3500 calories per day. :eek: And yes, yes, I know that you eat a perfect diet and know precisely how many calories you consume and get plenty of exercise and still are overweight, but I think that the vast majority of people out there have no real idea how much food they are consuming on a regular basis. If you really are expending more calories than you are consuming, and not losing weight, there is something wrong with you, and your experience is not applicable to most people.

It may be that a strict Atkins diet is unhealthy, but he does have a point. Take the typical fast food meal: Soda (sugar carbs), Fries (starch carbs), burger (starch in bun), and you are eating too many carbs, plain and simple. Atkins makes you almost eliminate carbs, and that may be going overboard, but certainly most people are getting too many carbs in their diet.

A bunch of people who had spent a long time believing a certain world view freaking out when that world view is demonstrated to be wrong does not a controversy make. I’m sure that the Galen would have flipped if I tried to tell him that germs cause sickness too.

Sorry if I was unclear. She WANTED to eat huge quantities of food, and very easily would have if I let her, but I certainly didn’t. I made very sure she stayed at a healthy weight. But once she was in high school, she quickly discovered that she was able to pig out away from home, or at home when no one was watching. I stopped giving her allowance because she would run out the door to 7-Eleven to buy junk food - the entire allowance. I’m a cook, and a good one, and she detests any food that’s good for you, and only likes crap like macaroni & cheese, pizza, bread, etc. She can eat more at a meal than any three people put together, and is “hungry” again in an hour or 2. I haven’t been able to serve pasta at home for years because she only eats the noodles and slips the meat and vegetables to the dog.

My pediatrician says she sees this in her practice. Some kids are abnormally obsessed with food from the earliest age. In Frank Bruni’s autobiography, he relates how as a baby, he became hysterical when his mother wouldn’t give him a third hamburger in a row. No “normal” baby can eat that much. You or I just can’t.

Have you heard of Prader-Willi Syndrome? It’s a chromosomal condition whereby parents have to literally chain their refrigerators shut to keep their kid from stuffing themselves uncontrollably. (Insatiable hunger is only one of many symptoms, including mental retardation and very little muscle tone.) It’s thought that “People with PWS have a flaw in the hypothalamus part of their brain, which normally registers feelings of hunger and satiety. While the problem is not yet fully understood, it is apparent that people with this flaw never feel full; they have a continuous urge to eat that they cannot learn to control. To compound this problem, people with PWS need less food than their peers without the syndrome because their bodies have less muscle and tend to burn fewer calories.”

The point is that I believe that someday the cause of “everyday” obesity will be better understood as having a physical cause, not just a weak character. (Such as being gay is now considered to a physiological imperative, not a lifestyle choice.) Some people can successfully fight the this abnormal compulsion to overeat, but many can’t.

And, again, I recommend reading Gary Taubes’ book, Good Calories, Bad Calories. It’s not a fad book or a diet book. He’s a science journalist who spent 7 years researching the supporting data from nearly every diet study done since the 1800s, trying to determine what makes us fat. Very eye-opening book.

Calorie restriction is not starvation. It’s more commonly known as dieting. The usual rule of thumb is to track your calorie consumption and decrease it by 500 calories per day for steady fat loss. Most doctors recommend that no one eat less than 1500 per day.

Of course all organisms will lose weight when they are starving, or if they self-restrict to starvation level (anorexics). But they will not burn all fat on the body, they will burn muscle, organ reserves, and even bone mass.