I guess it is up to the owners of the club /windows /etc. to make sure, but I’m not sure they are expected to do more than check a girls’ ID. They probably make a photocopy as well, most girls cary their ID with them at all times btw. Police and tax agancy occasionally do check ups on the clubs and I’m pretty sure the club would get closed down if a girl would be unable to show an ID.
For the rest I’m sure they try to do stuff, but girls and men are free to travel and work in the EU… so unless a girl goes to the police, there is little they can do. The vast majority of trafficking happens by boyfriends btw (for what I can see). I even know a group of girls that live in the same street in Romania (but work in different clubs), with their boyfriends being best friends/brothers even. One of them asked me to keep quiet about where she worked, because the boyfriend of another girl would go pestering her man in Romania about where this club was.
Not all hook-up with prostitutes are the same. Therefore the rates vary widely.
There is a thing called GFE. That means “Girl Friend Experience”. Some men are willing to pay a premium to a woman that will not only have sex with them but work very hard to make it an experience that feels like the woman is a girlfriend, not a prostitute. Of course, that service comes at a cost and typically the woman has to be beautiful, classy and a good actress.
Some girls try to charge extra for this. Some, usually girls new to the business, will offer this for free as part of their “standard package,” because it gives them a higher chance of repeat customers (plus it makes them feel less like a whore). Yet others won’t at any price, as it’s too “intimate,” if you can believe it.
Heh, I’ve heard more than one girl claim that she’d rather fuck 5 hours straight than have to listen to a certain type of guy for five hours (payed and without ex taking place).
That’s another thing, even if it is only 50 for half an hour, if you are good you can easily get sessions that take hours (sometimes the whole day). As the sentence above shows, not all girls agree this is an easy way to make money;). Sometimes it is funny, when you see how girls react when a regular arrives or calls, the hand that feeds them and all.
An interesting point made in the SuperFreakonomics chapter was that, when demand goes up during holidays, and such, the supply also goes up. This was a discussion mainly of Chicago area street hookers; there were a number of otherwise (un?)employed women who would opportunistically go back to make a few bucks during the busy times but during the rest of the time had occupations outside the sex trade.
He also discusses the trade with a hundreds-an-hour call girl, who works independently and was a well educated and discrete type. Some guys aren’t turned on by the ho’ from the hood look or the drunk in a bar look, I guess, and have more than enough money to satisfy that desire.
Do prostitutes charge significantly more for engaging in fetishes? If you want an elaborate bondage session I imagine you have to go to someone with special equipment in stock and special skills. Are the economics of that significantly different?
The German government doesn’t ensure that, even though there are bona fide attempts to do so. When prostitution was fully legalised in Germany about ten years ago - and legalisation in this context means that the contractual obligation of the patron to pay the prostitute is now enforceable in court, and that prostitutes can now get insurance in the public social security schemes - , one of the arguments in favour of the reform was that it would bring prostitution out of the shade, with authorities being better able to regulate and supervise the business and take action against things such as those you describe. But it didn’t quite work out as intended. Only a fraction of prostitutes active in Germany actually have social security coverage (in some cases, social security rules are evaded through legal loopholes such as nominal self-employement, in some cases prostitutes are simply not registered even where they would legally be obliged to), there are minors involved, and there is trafficking of women against their will from Eastern Europe to Germany. And on top of this, there is a considerable overlap between prostitution and illegal drug trade.
There are occasional raids in brothels - the fact that prostitution is not illegal as such doesn’t mean the police can’t raid a brothel if they have probable cause to believe that otherwise illegal activities are going on there -, and every now and then pimps or local bosses from red light districts get convicted for things like that. But it’s not like the German government has been able to eradicate these problems completely by legalising prostitution.
I just read Senegoid’s links (really funny to read a formal model on prostitution) and they might make sense for isolated countries. Their assumption of a ‘single market’ that women fall into, sin’t realistic for many places in the western world.
Many prostitutes are maried/have long term partners and a non-trivial proportion have one or more children (you’ll see more cutesy baby pics in a brothel than on friggin facebook). For many Romanian girls (which is by far the largest group of girls) having sex in a German/Dutch/British/French/etc. club with guys from these parts isn’t ‘real’. Romanian clients get refused and I’ve more than once been told they can make the same money in Bucharest, but don’t want to. They see it as a couple of years in Germany, having sex with people they don’t care about, and then they start their real life back in Romania.
Off course there is also a small group that does the opposite, and stays in these countries and start their real lives there (in the business, or not). Often with a man they met at ‘work’; these relationships have mixed success rates.
In South East Asia I’ve heard it is the other way around. The working girls are actually looking for a ‘husband’. The first tip seasoned SEA goers give is to never mention that you are only playing around, or not interested in anything serious. This means the end of any interest.
Keep in mind that just because a prostitute claims she makes $2000/hour doesn’t mean that she actually does. It’s not uncommon for people who don’t work as prostitutes to exaggerate their wealth, I don’t see why it’d be any different for prostitutes. I’m extremely skeptical of these claims that some prostitutes regularly make thousands of dollars per pop. From my charity work with HIPS in DC and my subsequent work in the legal field I know for a fact that most prostitutes make far less than that. Streetwalkers tend to charge $20 for oral sex, whereas an escort from someplace like backpage.com will charge about $150 per encounter.
I Do not make $79/hr as a computer tech, its just my bill rate. I have a good day if I bill 3-4 hours even then after all my expenses I might keep 1/3 of that.
A $2000/hr call girl might only work a couple jobs a week for an hour each. Yeah, still not a bad gig, but its probably the rare week that she works more than 4-5 hours. A hefty percentage of that probably goes to the agency she is working with handing her calls as well.
Prostitutes often supplement their income by being intermediaries for drug deals. You don’t have to worry about them being cops and they most likley are users themselves so they aren’t going to get something they wouldn’t use themselves.
I don’t think it is any real mystery. Prostitution (though generally illegal, so that skews the market) is like any other consumer service. You can pay $20 to $2000ish and all price points in between. Just like other consumer services, the $800 price point might not be as good as the $600 price point for peculiar reasons. But generally:
For $20, you get to drive into the ghetto and hope you don’t get shot. There you can get oral sex from a 30 year old meth addict who looks like she’s 50 with remnants of her last customer’s semen in her mouth. You might just be intoxicated enough yourself to get an erection while looking over your shoulder for her pimp/the cops.
For $2000, you get a near supermodel dressed to the nines who comes to your fancy hotel room and treats you like she worships you. No hurries and she is there to make you feel like a king and everything that SHE desires.
No different* that cars, houses, televisions, lawn service, or HVAC repair. All of these complex theories are an attempt to differentiate the dynamics or the economics of prostitution when it is very much the same.
*It does deal with human beings doing things that they may feel deeply ashamed of and taken advantage of, so it is different in that sense, but not economically.
Curiously prostitution per se is not illegal in the UK. Soliciting, living off immoral earnings (pimping) and running a disorderly house (brothel) is, but charging for sex on an ad hoc basis is not, in itself, illegal. This is because defining the act of ‘charging/paying’ is not possible.
My information comes from the media, so is not first hand, but there are many news items about women being ‘imported’ from East European countries to work as ‘sex slaves’. Many of these girls, some very young, are lured here with promises of domestic work etc. When the are here, with no money and unable to speak the language, they are at the mercy of the gangs.
While soliciting is illegal, it still happens, and there are places in most cities where they can be seen on street corners. There is a growing lobby in favour of legalising and regulating the industry, in an effort to drive these gangs out of business.
And it is not unusual for the lady already to be married to a local and still looking for a husband. A friend’s neighbor was a Westerner who had married a bargirl. She was married to a man from her village but still married the foreigner (a Brit). Not only did he not know about the Thai husband, but the Thai husband was introduced to him as her brother. He was in Thailand for four months at a time, then away four months, and while he was away, the Thai couple lived in his house as man and wife. When he was here, the Thai husband went back to brother mode and moved back to his own room he kept there. The Brit was actually pleased that her “brother” was around to take care of his wife while he was gone. Plus of course she was back in the bars while he was gone too.
My friend moved away from there, so I lost track of the situation. Could still be going on now, although this was a few years ago, and he was getting rather old.
That’s also the case in Canada, Ireland, and those parts of Australia and Western Europe that haven’t legalised or decriminalised prostitution. The US is actually the odd one out (in Global North terms) for making it illegal per se. It’s not so much because of difficulties in definition as because of a philosophy that the law should only be concerned with commercial sex when it spills out of the private arena and becomes a public “nuisance”.
Although there are *relatively *few confirmed cases of women being imported from anywhere to work as sex slaves. The gap between rumour and evidence is quite significant.
I thought of posting in this thread that’s it odd to ask about the difference between $20-a-trick girls and $1000-a-trick girls when the variation in wine price is even greater than that!
But then I noticed a MPSIMS thread “Wine Tasting is Bullshit: Film at 11”
Maybe the $1000-a-trick customers are just being deceived after all! :rolleyes:
Prostitution laws are interesting. In most of europe aren’t brothels illegal but private prostitution is legal? In the documentary I mentioned in my OP it was said that only 20% of US prostitutes are street walkers, but they make up 90% of arrests. So the other 80% make up the other 10% of arrests. So in the US there may be a de facto effort to just go after the ones which are a public nuisance.
Then again in Canada I believe prostitution is legal, but advertising it is illegal. It is a weird country on that subject.
Yes - keep in mind from the tone of these responses I get the impression that many think some of these women are like experts on sex. Most of them (if you pick one at random) are very lazy and will basically just lay there. Your average prostitute doesn’t know how to do BDSM. You will actually almost certainly have worse sex with a prostitute than you have had with most of your girlfriends if you don’t do research (or go to a nice agency.
With respect to the GFE - many advertise GFE, but are not. To them GFE simply means you can go down on them, and/or can kiss them, and/or they will go down on you without a condom.
With respect to black clients. Yes it is harder, but not that hard. Especially if the black client checks out reviews.
Keep in mind many of you are thinking about this from your perspective of what you would do if you were selling your body. Most of these girls don’t think that far ahead. Most of them assume you will never come back and make little effort to show you a good time. You actually have to work to find someone who will. I am not exaggerating when I say many will literally take calls during a session and literally stop blowing you to answer someone’s phone call to give them directions.
You can find very good street walkers for $20, but you can also find very poor “escorts” at $300. There is some correlation between price and quality, but much of where they end up depends on where they live and who they know versus their skill. No matter how good a street walker is - she almost always will stay a street walker. The only reason she will usually get out is if she is very smart - or has a john that tells her she should try out XYZ.
Also - as someone else pointed out - the $2,000 an hour escorts are usually full of shit. It isn’t that they get x amount of calls at $300, slightly less at $600, slightly less at $1,000 - it just almost never happens. There are a few ex pornstars and the like that pull in that much, but is extremely rare. The vast majority of $2,000 an hour escorts have not had a single client in their life (at that price). They are simply waiting for someone to pay that. It is an ego trip for them and almost all of them have another job while they wait for the one idiot looking just for them.