This is so outlandish and off point, you win the thread!
What the what? Do you make similar arguments against hiring teachers who have gay sex, or unmarried sex?
Stop worrying about how other adults have sex with other consenting adults. Stop concerning yourself with sex acts that you’ve not been invited to join. Don’t let careers be ruined because people are having sex in a way you don’t like (e.g., in front of a camera).
It’s a terrible way to treat people.
Thank you for that at least.
We have to draw a line somewhere.
Again I do not care what sexual identity she has. I don’t care. I don’t care who she feels like having sex with.
How many times I gotta say that?
She put it out for the public to view. She chose to do it. She knew it was wrong.
She. Did. It.
And it would concern me if my children were taught by her. Big time
Are you sure all the users of porn would be endorsing having the performers of what they consume teaching their kids?
Heck I am not even at all sure that a good many performers wouldn’t be among those calling for her termination. Or would be thrilled for their own children to know where the money comes from.
We are strange and often hypocritical population in many ways not least of all in regards to sexuality.
Yes, the line is clear. The line is:
- Teachers shouldn’t engage, during off-hours, in public behavior that indicates they will treat students unfairly (like attending Klan rallies); and
- Teachers shouldn’t engage, during off-hours, in behavior that will impact their ability to do their jobs (e.g., blackout drinking); and
- Teachers shouldn’t engage, during work hours, in behaviors that either harm students or harm their education.
But that’s all on one side of the line. The public has a line too:
- The public shouldn’t shit on teachers who are staying on their side of the line, just because certain members of the public find their sexual behavior icky.
Literally zero times, because nobody is talking about sexual idenity. A gay person can be celibate. We’re not talking about firing a celibate gay person, we’re analogizing to firing someone for having homosexual sex, or for having unmarried sex. Those are behaviors, not identities. Every time you post about how you don’t care about sexual identity, you’re missing the point.
Y’all brought up gay. It has nothing whatsoever to do with this case.
It’s not the same thing. At all.
I suggest she has lost the ability to do her job professionally. She said as much in an interview.
It [gay sex, not gay identity] is absolutely the same thing: it’s a sexual behavior between consenting adults that a lot of other adults find icky, and that teachers have been fired for engaging in. The adults who don’t like that behavior dress up their reasoning in all sorts of fancy clothes, but in both cases it’s just their personal dislike of the behavior. None of the morality reasons hold a drop of water.
She lost the ability to do her job professionally because busybodies made it impossible, not because of any intrinsic aspect of her sex work.
OM freaking G. We wouldn’t be talking about this without the fact SHE put sexwork into the picture. She did it.
Ok Ok.
I apologize.
This subject makes me too angry.
I hate it.
I hate it happened.
I hate it’s in the news.
I hate the teacher felt she had to do it. Whatever the reason.
I just hate it.
So I leave again.
Educate yourself. Read the article I linked to earlier. It’s Washington Post, it’s well-researched, it’s extensive. You really have a lot to learn.
You are making it sound like she was slaving away 12 hours a day on the porn assembly line at the porn factory, when what she was doing was creating bespoke artisinal porn from the comfort of her own home in her free time and selling it on Porn Etsy.
I’m personally on the fence as to whether creation and distribution of hard core pornography is legal in the first instance. I’m leaning towards it technically not being legal. There are misdemeanor obscenity statutes on the books at both the state and federal level in my jurisdiction, they just aren’t enforced very often because, I’d guess, a) prudish communities skew more rural and house less online sex workers, and b) nobody actually cares enough to bring a prosecution. Me included, there are better ways to spend taxpayer dollars.
I think the real reason she’s been fired is because teachers are supposed to be role models, and the school board has ideas about morality that are inconsistent with sex work. I don’t agree but I do think they have the right to make that argument, since I don’t think this involves a protected trait like race, gender, or sexual orientation.
I don’t think it would be appropriate to fire a teacher until it starts interfering with his or her job. But the laws here also prohibit teachers from talking to students about sex (excepting sex ed class). While I don’t agree with it the state has clearly taken the position that children should not be exposed to sex outside of very controlled circumstances, so if the talk of the town around a teacher’s actions actually causes disruption in the classroom then I think the school should suspend the teacher. They’d be entitled to fire her if disruption is forseeable though I wouldn’t prefer so. They’re prudes, but that’s life. Personally, I think it sends a bad message. Slut-shaming ruins lives, especially in this day and age where a majority of kids are sexting.
I’m not personally sympathetic to the teacher though, as it is my understanding that OnlyFans is a publicly accessible subscription service. Getting fired from your day job is a totally predictable consequence, even if it wouldn’t happen in a perfect world.
When I was in high school, ten years ago, there were rumors that one of the teachers in the district was a former porn actor. The rumors came from the teachers, among whom it was apparently an open secret, but they refused to name who it was. Naming the teacher would definitely have gotten him fired, and the kids would assuredly lose all respect for that teacher. I don’t know about other regions, but here sex work is frowned upon. Among other things. We had a teacher in the closet, who would have risked being fired for coming out as gay. But, like, everyone knew. I believe that was the case until 2020, when the courts finally decided gay people have labor rights, too. I believe teachers can still be fired for telling kids that they’re gay.
~Max
The teachers in this discussion weren’t “users”, they were content creators, so that’s the relevant statistic. The fact that there are 210 million horny teenagers jacking off to porn should be no surprise to anyone. What is relevant is that their own teachers were creating it.
Absolute moral certainty of the kind you’ve been expressing here is fraught with peril. This is an important issue with deep moral implications. In this and some of the other incidents of teacher misbehaviour mentioned earlier, school administrators take rather the opposite view, and act out of an abundance of caution concerning what we’re telling our kids about acceptable norms of behaviour.
Furthermore, the teacher who resigned obviously doesn’t agree with the frivolous dismissal of her activities as something that might occupy the kids’ attention for a few minutes and then they move on to the next thing. She saw it as making it impossible for her to do her job, which is precisely the criterion we all agree should make certain behaviours off limits. I’m astonished at the repeated references to the idea that the real problem here isn’t what these teachers did, it’s that parents and the school found out about it. How is it possible to not see the blatant hypocrisy in that position?
Say there was an atheist teacher - who never brought it up in class (that being wrong for any religion or discussion of religion outside of a comparative religion class) but who posted videos on YouTube. Since I’m betting your district is highly Christian, do you think your school board would either fire the teacher or try to force the teacher out in ways where they wouldn’t get sued automatically?
In my experience plenty of evangelicals consider atheism about as bad as sex work.
Your ability to miss the point is amazing. Go back up and read my original post.
Some people I am loosely affiliated with, employed me to work at a superfun semi-comedy music festival. The theme was a wedding and there was plenty of prep into that. One of the (several side gags) was the sister of the bride who was “open for dates”. They hired a lady who worked in local club as a stripper, from Ukraine, whose only role in this party was to look pretty, there was no expectation of an actual “date”. She just needed to fulfill a comedic role and not at all take off her clothes. In fact we had security near her all the time. I spoke to her backstage. She was stripping at a club to pay off her PhD, something in physics which I forget, but in a country far, far away from hers so no one would know.
There are a lot of interesting and excellent thoughts in this thread, but it all boils down to this:
Businesses, and that especially includes school districts, view controversy as anathema. They avoid it like a plague but, if it arises, will immediately do what is necessary to eradicate it. This situation in a school district, if not dealt with immediately by the school board, ensures a major war that will get a ton of negative publicity and produce absolutely nothing positive from the district’s perspective. We can have an interesting and beneficial philosophical discussion about the matter, but it is irrelevant when it comes to viewing the situation in a practical manner.
Unsurprisingly, another teacher (actually, a teaching assistant) was fired for having an OnlyFans account, this time in the Coquitlam School District in BC. The termination letter described her misconduct in relation to OnlyFans as “egregious”. The letter also stated the following:
Employees must remember they are role models within the community and must not engage in offduty activities, including online and social media activity, which place them in a conflict of interest whether actual or perceived or which may negatively affect the District’s operations, reputation or work environment.
Confused…are you saying that discriminating against Trump supporters is better than discriminating against sex workers?
No, I’m saying that I should probably be disqualified from making these decisions (or even speaking authoritatively about them). Because I’d rather hire a part-time sex worker than a Trump supporter – and would probably rather have a part-time sex worker teach my kids than a Trump supporter – but I understand that my attitude is atypical, not very ethical, and possibly illegal.
In addition, last year an Arizona teacher was fired over OnlyFans. .
And some years ago, a middle-school science teacher in California was fired for having appeared in pornographic movies in the past. She appealed her dismissal to a three-judge panel on the California Commission on Professional Competence, saying that it was in the past and she was no longer doing porn, but the commission ruled unanimously that she should not be in the classroom:
“Although her pornography career has concluded, the ongoing availability of her pornographic materials on the Internet will continue to impede her from being an effective teacher and respected colleague,” Cabos-Owen said in the 46-page decision