I’ll go as far to say 99% of parents would NOT want their child’s teacher to be a paid sex worker. Legal or not.
ETA. If you are a teacher and don’t know this you’re crazy.
Totally agree.
I’m curious how someone was able to recognize her if her face was hidden.
Whoever outed her deliberately intended to ruin her career. They’re the one who should have to pay the consequences.
This story actually sounds familiar. Didn’t something similar happen to an teacher/amateur porn actress some years back?
Where to draw the line is very, very much determined by the nature of the job. I wouldn’t fire a worker from an automobile assembly plant if I found out this person – male or female – made porn videos in their spare time (as long as no laws were broken). A primary or secondary school teacher? They’d be gone on the spot.
And there are places where 99% of parents would NOT want their child’s teacher to be a member of a racial minority. Legal or not.
Parents don’t always get what they want.
Can you articulate the difference? I can think of a few different distinctions.
Do you think that teachers are supposed to be role models for how adults behave?
Do you think that a person with such bad judgement* shouldn’t be a teacher, but would be fine as an auto worker?
Do you think that people who work with children should be held to different standards because children?
Is it because a teacher has a supervisory role but an autoworker doesn’t?
*While I think people should be free to post porn videos, it’s not like I think it’s a rip-roaring good idea.
Ain’t that the truth.
The racial minority didn’t choose it tho’
These teachers chose to post this online.
True. Although the hypothetical minority member teacher chose to be a teacher.
And being a member of a racial minority is a status that affords legal protection, whereas (in the US) sex workers do not.
That’s not in question here.
The legality of a sex worker isn’t a problem. (Different thing altogether)
Obviously it’s legal for these teachers to post porn online.
It was just not a good idea.
Blatantly stupid, in fact.
For how adults should behave, absolutely yes.
Yes. I mentioned an assembly line worker for the specific reason that such an individual presumably has no supervisory responsibility over others.
Absolutely, yes. And not only do I think that, but so apparently does society in general when it comes to background checks and standards for teacher employment.
Yes. And even more than a supervisory role, the teacher is both an authority figure and someone who is supposed to be a mentor. And furthermore, not just an authority figure by virtue of their formal position, but also by virtue of being the adult, versus a child or young person who is still in the formative stages of developing their values.
I wonder if the Venus of Urbino were a teacher, would they fire her too, hypothetically speaking?
I don’t know if this is funny or sad: she was doing swingers-type porn and while she blurred her face, the other participants didn’t and someone recognized her husband.
Sure, if you’ll answer the question as posed, to whit: Where would you draw the ‘bright line’ as to what teachers are and are not permitted to do?
If the expectation is that teachers are required to be ‘role models’ at all times and in all aspects of their lives above and beyond just being productive members of society who don’t break any major laws or flaunt their socially-frowned upon behavior in the classroom, then we are seriously underpaying teachers, especially given that we can’t consistently get that kind of decorum out of elected officials, police officers, celebrities, religious figures, et cetera who make many times more than the typical teacher’s salary.
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I agree that some otherwise legal behavior - expressions of bigotry that doesn’t rise to the level of hate speech, for example - can and should affect a person’s employment. Consensual sex in the form of video and photos isn’t one of them.
My very wise Daddy gave me a few admonitions as what was a good idea and what were bad ideas. He was always right.
Now he would say: “If you put it on the internet it is there forever.”
Anybody can see it. Anybody can judge it. Forever.
It’s not a question of what they should be “permitted” to do on their own time. It’s a broader question about their character, and that’s important insofar as they are not just educators but also role models. Parents who might be fine with their kids growing up to be sex workers might be fine with some of these permissive concepts, but most are not.
Also, “to whit” should be “to wit”, from the Middle English to witen, meaning “to know”, and related to the present-day word “wit”.
We are indeed seriously underpaying our teachers, especially in the USA.
Disclosure: I am not and have never been a primary or secondary school teacher. I don’t even personally know any. I’m arguing entirely on principle, as a parent and as a member of society.
I’ll be the fuddy-duddy who says they don’t like it.
My objection isn’t about teachers having sexuality or doing freaky things in their spare time. Or even doing candid and frank sex-ed.
It’s more like… if I want to fire teachers for having a pro-Nazi YouTube channel, then I have to let my prude neighbor deem homemade porn too controversial. Teachers’ off-school public life needs to be controversial so that we’re able to filter out the worst of them when it’s necessary.
And it goes without saying that teachers wages should be enough that they can survive without side gigs, particularly risque ones.
Of course it has to do with morality. It is the perceived immorality of the job that is why it has such an outsized effect. You don’t see the same issues with former models or beauty contestants, despite both often involving the same type of sexualization.
Kids get away with treating teachers differently because the adults in their lives already do so. If their parents and society in general told them it didn’t matter what job their teacher had in the past, they must respect them, we wouldn’t have this difficulty.
This is pretty obvious, as we’ve seen it occur before. This is the exact same argument used to say that having a gay teacher was a problem. And yet there is no disruption now. It clearly is not an inherent problem.
Those arguing that it has something to do with the teacher’s character or being a role model are in fact bringing morality into it. They are saying that doing porn in an immoral act, that shows bad character on the part of the teacher and/or models behavior that is harmful to the students.
I’ll be honest: I’m struggling with whether sex work is immoral or not myself. But I am fully aware that it is this debate that is the relevant issue, not the nebulous “inability to the job.” If teachers can have affairs with other teachers and the kids know about it, and yet it doesn’t stop them from being able to teach, they can get past this.
It’s the adults who have the trouble getting past it.
Nope - because Nazis are bad and sex isn’t.
I’m drawing a line that can be considered arbitrary and I’m fine with it. I think we should be more sex positive. People who don’t like it can be as private as they like, and it should be a societal norm that they also STFU about other people doing sexual things that they aren’t forced to watch. Remember, nobody is making people view teachers’ self made pornography.
At worst, having sex videos / photos get out of one’s control should be a faux pas one level lower than listening to music on your phone in public without headphones.
Gay teachers have no choice.
These teachers had a choice.
In my opinion they chose badly. To their own detriment.
They’ll get no quarter from me. I do not feel they were ‘put upon’ by anything other than their own ignorance.
I’ll step further out and say a teacher making these kinda bad choices may not be teacher material, anyway.