I just had an epiphany while making banana bread about Beck’s and wolfpup’s position.
If this is about violating another person’s moral code
As a person expected by society(?) to teach or at least demonstrate ethics
To minors in their care
Then if one of us finds out that Beck or wolfpup or anyone else have done anything in their lives one of us finds morally repugnant like underage drinking or having pre-marital sex etc. and we make it public, they should be forced to have no contact with any minors including their own children (take 'em away CPS), grandchildren, neighborhood kids, etc.
And a teacher he hired resigned after he “was asked to choose between accepting a termination letter or submitting his resignation” after being honored as the school’s best support staffer just two months before he submitted his resignation.
There is no evaluation of merits in that statement. Teachers are caregivers and role models; stating that they are fit for that position despite the porn issue is exactly equivalent to the prior statement saying that they should not be fired.
The two statement mean exactly the same thing, and since @Left_Hand_of_Dorkness refuses to elaborate, I’m going to assume that my interpretation that it means that anyone taking my position on this is on the wrong side of history is correct.
That’s not a useful generalization, since none of us are saints. But I think I can pretty confidently say that in a long life I’ve never done anything that would disqualify me from being a teacher or from holding any other position of trust. I’m not trying to represent myself as a paragon of virtue, but the questionable things I’ve done were a very, very long time ago when I was young and stupid.
Our transgressions are a matter of degree, and to some extent of recency. If only these teachers had had the good sense to stay within normal bounds of behaviour, they’d still have their jobs. But if they had not been fired or resigned, we’re essentially establishing a moral framework where our kids are going to grow up to be as reckless as their teachers were.
You do realize that most contracts do not have a clause requiring teachers to be role models. We do have to maintain a certain level of ethics in the classroom but those are not the same thing. So your community decided to explicitly require teachers to be role-models in their public and private life? And your teachers signed it? OK. Gratz. That doesn’t apply everywhere.
I won’t discuss your contention that my position is problematic beyond that’s just your opinion not a fact.
But what you fail to address is that it is YOUR ethical standard. You presume everyone agrees with you.
You tell me with your wealth of experience in the classroom. THAT is where your argument fails because there is this nebulous implied detrimental impact on students that come from no knowledge and no experience. And there are no specifics for those who counter your side to say no that’s not true. If there were teachers (any adult in a school working with children) that agreed with your side then you might have a valid point. But none of us teachers agree with you that seeing a teacher do porn will affect their education at all. And this (yet again) is why I bring up that those of you that are not teachers come at us as more expert in the field than we are. You tell us how to teach, what to teach and now what we can do in our personal life. Do you do that to cops? Firefighters? Your doctor? Your attorney? ANY other professional?
I’m going to stop now with this path before I rant to the point that a mod steps in.
I have no direct experience with school teaching but I do have considerable experience as a parent. I would also assume that school officials and school board administrators do have substantial experience as educators, and they’re the ones making these decisions.
Am I the only one that sees the contradiction here? So teachers need to uphold an arbitrary code of conduct but parents don’t? Everyone else is allowed their foibles but teachers aren’t. Explain to me why that is not a useful generalization. By the way, it is not a generalization because it doesn’t apply to everyone. It takes your own argument and applies it to another set of adults so the fallacy would be that of False Equivalence so explain why it is that.
Have you ever smoked weed or done any other drugs in you life even once?
Have you ever had a drink or three while out then drove home?
Have you ever been in jail, even overnight?
Have you ever been arrested?
Have you ever had pre-marital sex?
Are you divorced?
Because if you were you shouldn’t be a teacher as students would not respect you and they found out they would choose to start doing drugs, drinking and driving, having kids out of wedlock, commit crimes or violating God’s Law™ by divorcing.
Sorry @puzzlegal , I was saying my opinion. I didn’t ask the thread to be closed. I apologize if it appears I did.
@Riemann- it’s against board rules to post my personal email and info out on a thread. I’ve talked and told of my life so much that I’ve been told to STFU many times.
PM me and I will tell you exactly who I am.
And, @Saint_Cad , I barely know what a dirty sanchez means. Learned about it here on the SD.
This is a bait question you’re asking. For your own entertainment, I guess. I will not answer it.
Was not a bait question but assuming you are not using that as an excuse not to answer I will rephrase it.
How exactly does a student knowing or seeing their teacher in an OF video affect their education? Also tell us what evidence (even empirical) you base that on or if it is just your opinion.
With any profession, others are indeed able to tell if the workers are effective at their jobs. Teachers are no exception. They don’t automatically get deferred to as far as results, beyond the inherent bias of their own opinion.
the OF promise but you gotta pay first.