In another ten years or going backwards, your logic will again apply to women being married or mothers being allowed to work. And in another ten years, Ruby Bridges will be a provocateur trying to upset the (re)established social order.
No one is misunderstanding anything, deliberately or otherwise. The exact same logic is used over generations to either increase tolerance and acceptance or to restrict and reduce them.
Well said.
I thought it was a terrific analogy. Community standards rule the day by default, or they don’t. (N.B.: “Don’t” refers to enjoying a default status; it doesn’t mean community standards are completely ignored.)
Do you know the difference in the definitions of the words “protect” and “encourage”?
So is it official now that your argument fails? Because there is no empirical evidence to support your position while teachers (you know, adults in the classroom) have many counterexamples.
Those would all be examples of the teacher creating inappropriate entanglements between their online work and their teaching. You really don’t see the categorical difference there?
Except I wasn’t? I was talking about the principle that someone (not you, someone else) suggested:
I wanted to interrogate the implications of that principle in a well-known scenario.
Certainly there are other arguments in favor of firing this teacher–but I’m not talking about those other arguments in this case. I’m talking about this one specific argument, which I think has dangerous implications.
Moderating
Boy, that sure looks like you’re trying to find a way to say @Left_Hand_of_Dorkness is lying or dissembling. As that is not allowed outside of the pit, please ensure you do not do this again.
Still waiting for anyone with the viewpoint that schools should support community standard to tell us if they support what is occurring in Florida K-12 education right now.
And yet the Missouri OF teacher who resigned did in fact go so far as to suggest she’d be willing to pursue former students to engage with her in sex acts on the platform. That’s an inappropriate entanglement. Again y’all think the spicy teach is content to stay in their anonymous lane hiding their faces. Rather it sounds to me like there is support for educators involved in off campus sex work to want their pornagraphic careers to be be openly accepted, shared, discussed and normalized in a k-12 setting.
It doesn’t sound to me like that.
Cite?
Moritz and a former student said they were particularly alarmed when Coppage did a YouTube interview with an adult content creator and said she would be willing to film with former students. Moritz said the remark went too far, and 17-year-old Claire Howard, who moved out of the district midway through last school-year, agreed.
Did I miss your response to post #772?
~Max
Your premises are all wrong.
Now respond to mine.
There is only one article being passed around that makes that claim that I can see.
Who was the content creator?
Link to the interview?
Seems like it would be simple to find the primary resource. Not saying you’re being misleading, I’m just saying your cite seems suss. Especially as you quote came immediately after
“As a society, if we’ve come to it to think that it’s OK for children to be seeing their teacher having sex, that’s outrageous,” said Kurt Moritz, the father of a 7-year-old boy in the district. “We shouldn’t be giving children an extra reason to fantasize over their teachers.”
It seems like the article may be sensationalization.
As a university teacher, I want to say for the record that I personally have no interest in a sexual relationship with any former student.
That said, my understanding is that current students are off limits, always, for good reason, but adult former students who are no longer enrolled are perfectly ethical to have sex with, on or off film, so long as they can & do freely consent. I don’t see the problem in that expressed desire, even if I personally find it creepy.
Honestly I’d believe the comment and don’t see what bearing it has on the issues.
She now is no longer a teacher. She is now a full time pornography performer trying capitalize on her publicity. Play the publicity “right” and she can make as much in a year as she could make in teaching for decades. Apparently she is in fact doing that. Ethics as a teacher are now null void and irrelevant. I suspect there are other former teachers who would theoretically have sex with a now adult former student for a million dollars. Or at least consider it.
The question was about when the teacher was doing their reasonable best to keep their other gig separate from their education career and they were outed.
Is community discomfort ethically (not legally, that is established) sufficient for dismissal?
Where I see a problem is if the desire is expressed while the student is still enrolled (and/or underage) (e.g. “Call me when you turn 18” or “Hey, after you graduate, you wanna…” or even just being extra-nice to them while they’re still a student in hopes of something developing later).
Oh, I see. Yes, if the teacher is talking about the future but referring to current students, yeah, unethical. I read it as a hypothetical.
But the ethical problem there is bringing the CURRENT student into a sexual conversation.