How do we feel about teachers fired for posting homemade porn?

Even a reductio ad absurdam set. . .

I live in a region where you need to make an ungodly amount of money to live here, if you didn’t already own a home before the bubble. I honestly would have no problem if either of my young-adult daughters went on OnlyFans and posted anonymous videos (anonymous being the key). During the pandemic, I imagine a lot of people did what they had to do to keep a roof over their head. One of my daughters even discussed this with me, but never followed through on it, probably because she didn’t know how to set it up carefully enough. If I thought there was a market for anonymous, out-of-shape-old lady videos and I knew how to set it up, I’d do it myself.

We had a very wholesome poster a long time ago, @norinew, who posted about her experiences as a telephone sex worker. Very informative.

The problem is, is it never stays anonymous. Some ex will recognize a tattoo or particular body shape. They get angry. Post it on your social media.
Or you brag and show your girlfriends. She yaks to others. They search and find your video. Some one at your office catches wind tells the boss.
Then you’re looking for a job hoping you’re not background checked.

It’s not a rabbit hole I’d want my girls to even get near.

@needscoffee , I hear tell there’s porn for any body, any thing, any how you want see it. (Of course I’ve never seen any. 'Cause I’m an :innocent: Angel.)
Go for it.

I wouldn’t put the conditional on this. We should just be paying teachers significantly higher wages because they’re doing a very important job and we should be attracting the best possible people to those jobs. Or at least not driving away the best possible people by paying such low wages.

Well, I was following the somewhat tortured narrative that you presented. Ironically, the pretty common porn trope of the “Sexy Teacher Seducing Male Student(s)” is based on a surprisingly frequent actual occurrence of real non-porn female teachers getting intimately involved with male students, while in at least a few minutes of searching I haven’t been able to find any instance of an actual teacher recruiting students into pornography (has probably happened but not frequently enough to warrant multiple news stories). I find it pretty shocking how frequently school officials have ignored blatant signs of a teacher doing actually disturbing or inappropriate things in the classroom (re: my anecdote above) and do nothing, but a teacher doing something completely outside of school and making the effort to be anonymous somehow warrants a full court press, and of course the Morality Contingent on this board suggesting that if students can envision a teacher having sex it will somehow break the entire education process.

That is a cogent and reasoned argument based upon the pragmatics of American pseudo-morality and a propensity for hypocritical outrage at the drop of a hat. However, I think the lack of respect that is afforded to teachers goes well beyond whether they meet some kind of morality standard; despite the fact that they are often the de facto stand-in parent for many neglected children, and the primary role model for many students whose parents just can’t be bothered to be present and engaged with their children, they’re held to account for all manner of exaggerated and imagined character defects regardless of how properly the conduct themselves. And you are correct, that contempt by parents feeds right into the attitude of students. But I don’t think the answer is that teachers need to walk an ever more narrow line of perceived morality, or even if they did that it would engender broad respect. Doing an “OnlyFans” video isn’t the safest or sharpest move, but a teacher carrying tens of thousands of dollars of college load debt while earning a salary that is just marginally above the poverty line (and in some states, often below it) may be looking for any fast way to earn cash for paying off that insatiable loan payment. I think the obvious answer is loan forgiveness for anyone who is willing to throw themselves into the grinder of primary and secondary education, but that is clearly not where our priorities lay when we give out public school funding as vouchers for charter schools.

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Unfortunately, I can barely even manage Facebook other than to read what comes across my feed and to mute the glurge posted by deluded cousins, so posting truly anonymous OnlyFans videos is beyond my technical expertise.

Sophia DeLoretto-Chudy was fired from teaching at an El Paso elementary school. She’d allowed her third-graders to sit in silence during the pledge of allegiance if they chose to do so. After being confronted by administrators, she posted a description of the meeting on TikTok, and was fired for violating an electronic communications policy that itself is a violation of the First Amendment.

And that’s the environment we’re in. Violation of the right to dissent. Violation of the right to consent: to activities that may be offensive to majority opinion but pose no real threat. Because sexual agency is a fundamental human right. Rapist and coercionists who force others into sexual activity are an overt threat, but slut-shamers are a threat to freedom of consent as well.

My opinion holds that commercialized sex is demeaning to everyone involved, but my conviction is that nobody has the power to impose their opinion on consenting adults.

I was not hired to be a role model. I was hired to teach students. As long as I do not violate the professional code of conduct (and posting my porn is not a violation of that) then my job should be safe.

As for this idea that teachers should be let go because of the assumption that they can’t be effective if a student saw them in porn. Any facts or experience to back that up? Or is it just ruin a person’s career because you just think you know everything?

I doubt you’ll get anyone to admit to making porn and posting it.
You know why, because it’s not a good thing. It’s a horrible way to make money. I’m not sure how anyone gets paid making amateur porn. It can’t be much money. If it was all that great of a video it would go viral defeating the purpose of blurred faces. It’s not a good thing.

And if you think you’re not a role model as a teacher you’re wrong. I had many teachers who were role models. Kids are impressionable. They hear and watch the adults around them to learn. You spend more time with them than their parents do. It behooves you act accordingly, if you teach.

Those teachers ruined their own careers.

IMHO

It’s clear you have little idea what you’re talking about, as you pretty much state verbatim…
ETA: didn’t mean it so harsh, but yes, people make a lot of money on OnlyFans.

Well, that’s true about porn. I know virtually nothing about it except it’s all over the internet. There’s no way anyone is getting rich on amateur videos.

The stars of the stuff I guess could make a living.

I would imagine a lot of those sites are scamming for videos anyway.

Again, you are going off of your imagination.

Oh come on. I can’t believe it’s that much money. Where do I sign up?

Granted, this is unverifiable, but I’m sure you can find many others if you try.

Nurse Ditches Her Scrubs To Make 10 Times More On OnlyFans.

Oh good. I’ll get Ivy on that.

No, then she’ll quit me.

Will my banker be shocked when I cash my check from them?

I ain’t got no reputation or job to protect.

Besides, there’s already lots of teachers in porn….

…wait, that’s not real?

Turns out it might be real teachers.

You weren’t? From the code of conduct of my local school board (emphasis mine):

Teachers … are expected to hold everyone to the highest standard of respectful and responsible behaviour. As role models, teachers and support staff shall uphold these high standards by:

  • helping students work to their full potential and develop their sense of self-worth;
  • empowering students to be positive leaders in their classroom, school, and community;
  • communicating regularly and meaningfully with parents;
  • maintaining consistent standards of behaviour for all students;
  • demonstrating respect for all students, staff, parents, volunteers, and the members of the school community;
  • preparing students for the responsibilities of citizenship.

In addition, every school has its own code of conduct as well for all teachers, staff, and students.

Many kids spend more dedicated time with their teachers than they do with their own parents. These folks are in a position not to just to impart textbook information, but to be mentors, leaders, exemplars of fairness, arbiters of ethical issues, and developers of character – in short, we expect them to be educators in the full meaning of the word. We expect them to nudge our kids in the right direction as they start out on life’s journey. They should be held to the highest standards of character (and paid accordingly).

If one of my kid’s teachers turned out to be a part-time porn star or sex worker and the school and school board were fine with it, my well-justified assumption would be that the school authorities are not doing their job and I’d get my kids the hell out of there.

Hey, it’s Texas. I’d be surprised if a teacher wasn’t fired for teaching evolution. :wink:

The fact that lunatic wingnuts fired a teacher for violating incredibly stupid “standards” doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t have standards.

No one is imposing their opinion on anyone. What is at issue is the standards of character we should require of those in an extraordinary position of trust and influence.

You say it so elegantly. Clear and concise.
Thank you.

Those with extreme powers have extreme responsibilities.