How do you decide to quit your safe job and go into business for yourself?

I have a good, decent job with benefits. There’s a lot not to like about it, but it pays the mortgage every month, there’s a lot of satisfaction in it on good days, and I got a damned masters’ degree to get it. (I’m a librarian.) However, there’s some crap with management, some awfulness with patrons, some bad decisions, my god they’re putting in a fax machine for the patrons, that sort of thing.

Meanwhile, my boyfriend has a sort of struggling small business. (Three, actually, but we’re just talking about the one here.) It’s a video production business - commercials, events, that sort of thing. They also do radio marketing and such. (One of his other businesses is a web design firm, so while it’s technically a video production company they really do a lot of general marketing, logo design, all that sort of thing.) So. Right now, the economy is hitting it and the small size of the business makes it very hard to get the big clients they need. They also recently took a one-time hit when a former partner left and sued, so capital is extremely low. I’ve already lent the business quite a bit of money, in fact (around ten grand). The business employs my boyfriend and three other people, and I’ve really been supporting him for some time. They have a small line of credit (maxed) but no big loans.

He thinks, and preliminary research suggests it to be true, that what he needs is a lot more operating capital, and then he could hire sales people and get the big accounts he needs. There are two big video firms in town, but he thinks there’s enough business to go around. What he really wants, and has wanted for years, is for me to go into business with him. I’d come in as a partner (risking my credit, of course) and be a research and office manager. That would free up other employees to do the creative work they were hired to do, increase productivity, herd those damned creative cats into getting stuff done, etc. And of course as a librarian I’ve got a lot of information-related skills to bring to the table.

With recent developments at work, it’s getting damned tempting. (Of course, can’t do anything until elections in April tell us if he’s going to be mayor or not. Yeah, let’s say he’s got a lot of irons in the fire.) Of course, I’d never do it unless research suggested it was a good idea, but how the hell do you decide?

Obviously, the big thing is - how are we going to eat? Pay the mortgage? Keep the lights on? Right now my job does all of those things, and also provides me with insurance. He says we plan for the loan to cover all our expenses until the company starts to do it, but obviously that’s assuming the company does, indeed, start to do it.

One problem is that, if the business fails, I’d have a hard time getting a job again. Nobody’s been retiring and professional librarian jobs have just been kind of thin on the ground. I’d be reluctant to move, also - we have a house, my parents are getting older, etc. I could always take some other job to pay back the loan and pay the mortgage and all, but of course South Carolina just hit 12.5% unemployment. So there’s that.

On the other hand, it’s very tempting to work for myself and reap all the rewards. They just released the library’s salaries over $50,000 due to a FOIA request, and the most useless, most road-blocking person in the organization, the one who actively squashes new ideas and makes you want to throw yourself off the building, makes almost a hundred grand. I, on the other hand, working my ass off, am not on the list. It would be damned sweet to have success pay off and reap rewards from my own hard work.

This would also be the best time in our lives to do this. We don’t have any kids, which is the big thing. We’re young. I’m 30 and he’s 26. I have quite a bit of equity in the house. I know how to cook a pot of beans. If we wait until we’re more stable, have a kid, etc., then we won’t want to take the risk. (Or I won’t, anyway - obviously he’s fine with risk.) Also, my parents are here and while I wouldn’t like to ask them for help, they’ve been supporting my deadbeat asshole half brother for more than a year after he lost his job, and I know they’d help me if something went drastically wrong. Also, not to be morbid, but I’m expecting a somewhat substantial inheritance when they die, and if worst comes to worst I could pay off a debt that way.

Drawbacks besides the money include long hours and putting all our eggs into one basket. I’m hoping that the health care thing shakes out to somehow put affordable policies within the reach of small businesspeople, but I’m starting to lose hope on that front. I definitely need my insurance. The boyfriend hasn’t been insured since college.

Personally, I think it’s a good business. They produce a good product for a fair price, and they have a lot of loyal customers. (Mostly nonprofits, who have been having a hard time of it lately.) So, let’s posit that the research is encouraging and that the SBA people think it’s a good idea. How do you decide whether to take a leap or not?

I vehemently disagree on this. A really savvy businessperson would find a way to hustle and attract clients and gigs without the additional capital. Let the incoming work dictate and fund the additional outlay for additional employees and equipment. The mentality of, “if you build it, they will come” is for the movies – not real life. Also, those “sales people” he wants to hire will have the mindset of mercenaries and will not have the passion to understand (and sell) what differentiates your boyfriend’s quality of work from everyone else.

Again, to rephrase my previous paragraph: this approach is backwards. You don’t quit the job UNTIL you see evidence of an increasing pipeline of business.

It’s better to do risky things like borrow from your credit cards and quit a job to help provide funds to *keep up with new *incoming work. Don’t do it to try and generate work.

My parents work together in their own business.

  1. They have come close to divorcing several times over it.
  2. They seriously, have no retirement plan. Every time they work up some retirement savings they end up rolling it into the business.
  3. My parents work ALL the time. They do not have “paid vacation” because if they don’t work there is no pay. Sometimes there is no pay because there isn’t any work. Isn’t that fun!?

What you are thinking of doing is somewhere between crazy and stupid. Your BF sounds like he lacks a solid business foundation, and when you two split over his mismanagement of your money, you’re going to be screwed.

As someone who has had a small business with employees, I implore you. DO NOT QUIT YOUR JOB.

One of you has to have an anchor. It’s easier for researchers to predict your survivability, because they don’t have to back it.

If you want to help your boyfriend’s business, do it on your own time outside of work. Offer to take some late shifts at the library (12-9?) and work mornings at his company if you want.

I know you’ve thought about it and you aren’t really going to listen to us if your mind is made up.

But you need that steady income and you need to take some strong, hard looks at what is really going on. Have an accounting friend go over the books. Start referral networking through organizations like BNI to get the inside tracks on things. Find a way without losing the only financial anchor you can depend on right now.

For the love of all the gray hairs Miss Clairol fights so vainly to cover on my head, do not jump in to this without really, really strong game plans. Because no matter how rosy the situation may seem with a bigger loan - it ain’t gonna happen that way. You will have setbacks, you will have fights, your creative types will have creative blocks, etc.

Small business ownership is a cruel master. Simple solutions never are.

My job was quit for me when the small 6-person ad agency closed it’s doors after 9/11. That left me with no health insurance and a small software business on the side that was bringing in about $1,000 each month. My wife had a job, and together with her income and the small amount from the business, we could manage to get by.

Rather than looking for a new job (a long shot given the dismal economy at the time), and needing a way to get health insurance (I tried and was declined by every insurer in the state due to preexisting), we decided to jump in with both feet.

We spent 6 months in the US getting ready…sold 90% of our belongings, put the rest in storage and bought a one way ticket to Tbilisi, Republic of Georgia. During that time I was able to roughly double the software business income, and once in Tbilisi we both got local jobs (newspaper editing, teaching English).

It took 2 years before we had increased our previous income by 50% and 7 years to really have a strong income. Losing my job was the push we needed, but I would not have done it voluntarily until it was a bit more income.

Also - we had enough savings to survive two years with no income… and about 10 years in Georgia.

Don’t quit that job just yet.

He has 3 businesses that he started and he is running for Mayor? What happens if he gets elected and the 3 businesses can’t be his focus anymore? How much attention can he be paying to each company with 3 separate businesses to maintain? What happens when he gets a great idea for business #4?

Financially this would be a really, really bad idea. If you really feel like you need to help try to help by donating money or time without giving up your current job. There is not much worse than losing your house. Except, of course, losing your house and health insurance with little in the way of job possibilities for the future. Then add in the stress of both working together in a business that is your only income and consider how that would impact your relationship. If you still feel that this is the best course for you to take then by all means take it and do your best to make it succeed but be prepared for a long road ahead and take as much precaution as you can against the problems you will face in that situation.

To be honest, chances of him getting elected are… slim. :slight_smile: But not none, and there are a lot of dedicated people working on his campaign. Mayor is a part time job, here, though, although that’s one of the things we’re trying to change.

There is an old saying, when you work for yourself you can work any 80 hours a week you want.

I could be reading this wrong but it doesn’t really sound like you have a huge passion for video production, part of your motivation is that you’re not so thrilled with your job right now. And it just would be exciting to start a business with your SO and get something off the ground. If that’s the case, then remember that you have an infinite number of career options, joining your boyfriends company is not the only way out of your current job. You could even start your own business – I just googled ‘freelance librarian’ and I’m seeing some good stuff!

Anyhow, my point is that you shouldn’t do this because you just want to do something different. If you want a change then don’t just take the most obvious path that your boyfriend puts in front of you, step back and think about what you want and what you can do best.

My uncle got laid off from his safe job, and decided it would be more fun to go into business for himself.

He’s struggled ever since. I don’t think he regrets his choice exactly, but he’d have a hard time getting back a job like the one he had if he wanted one, and when he needed a new pick-up truck to take to Craft Sales (his primary source of income), he went begging to his sister rather than a bank. (While Big Sis may be a soft touch, she also realizes that in the present economy, she gets diddly from a savings account and the stock market is unreliable–more potential gain, but also more potential loss.)

What’s wrong with putting in a fax machine?

Do you have any idea what library patrons are going to do if the fax doesn’t go through? Do you? Well, I do.

Before I quit my regular job and went into business for myself, I had one contract, ready to go in a week and two others in the pipeline. It took a year’s worth of planning to get everything ready, but it was worth the wait.

First of all, can you look at yourself in the mirror every morning and honestly say, “I work all the time and don’t have any money, but I love being a part of video production”?

Second, what’s the worst case scenario here? Can you get health insurance on your own? What if your boyfriend’s business doesn’t take off as quickly as he thinks – how long can you live on your savings? Have you reviewed his business plan? Does he even have a business plan? You’ve already lent about $10K; how much more are you prepared to invest before the business can start paying you back?

Why can’t he take on bigger projects right now? Most of the independent video producers around here hire free-lancers and rent a larger editing suite when they have bigger projects, rather than having a permanent staff. Would he need more/better equipment? Has he budgeted for that?

I’d also pass on the advice of an artist friend of mine. A few years after graduation she had begun to make a name for herself, so her college invited her back to talk to the art students. Naturally, their first question was “How do you make a living as an artist?” Her answer was, “Marry someone who will support you financially. I don’t know how long they have to support you, because I’m still not at that point.”

I do like the idea of taking risks. I’ve pretty much been a freelancer/sole-proprietor since 1999. I do love it and would recommend for anyone who is passionate about what they do to at least give it a shot.

But there are many things in your OP that worry me. You’ve already invested some of you money into the business (you said ten grand, right?) with no return (so far, right?.) The business’s line of credit is almost maxed out. You have a mortgage (are you the only person paying for it?) Your job is your only source of health insurance. Why can’t he secure business credit for himself or get help from his family as investors? Do you even really care about video production or are you just bored? Do you have enough money saved up so you can weather a year or two of lean times as the business gets off the ground? Who’s running the money side of the business? Because the way you describe the fiscal side of things, I’d be worried (no insurance, maxed credit, ten thousand dollar personal loan, etc.) It doesn’t sound very encouraging from the way you describe it.

So, from my perspective, the only way in hell I would ever jump into this with two feet is if I had an all-consuming passion for the business, didn’t care about the possible downside (and no counting on parents in my equation), and completely believed in the business (not just the product, but the ability to market the product and manage the business in a fiscally responsible way.) Even then, my gut feeling would be to keep the day job and do everything I can in my free time to help the business. That’s the most sensible thing to do.

I totally missed this but, what?

Everyone has given good solid advice so far, and their experiences are in line with mine.

I’ve had my own business since about 2000. It started off as just me and my partner (business partner - never has been and never will be my boyfriend). We do Web design/Web applications.

For the first few years we had no capital. Just hand-to-mouth. This was only possible because I lived with my folks for free. Our computers were our own rigs, our desks and chairs were our own. We had zero advertising budget, no health insurance and nothing close to a retirement plan. I racked up a ton of CC debt and depleted my savings, as did my partner. Our company credit cards had low limits and were maxed out too. One time we had to go to a client site and strong-arm them into paying us what they owed us just so we could pay taxes on time.

We worked 24/7, and that is not an exaggeration.

After about 6 years we finally got a small business line of credit, which helped us cover taxes and payroll when people wouldn’t pay on time. Still, sometimes I went without a paycheck.

We’ve finally made it to the point where we have a third full-time employee (who makes very little) and we’re both in good personal financial shape. We’ve managed to get mortgages and cars and he even managed to get married and have a kid. We have health insurance too.

We still don’t advertise, still don’t have retirement plans, and still work 24/7 sometimes (it’s 5:30 AM and I am still at work). We don’t have an office, everyone works from home. We don’t have any sales people. At least now, the company pays for our computers and software.

My point is that it takes a lot of hard work and sacrifice to make a small business work. It actually does not take a lot of capital to have a Web design company (I’m sure that’s not true for video production). It just takes a few people who have the willingness to bust their asses and make $2/hour to maybe in many years be able to make $20/hour.

Wait until you do a project for a company that profits millions of dollars every year and they nickle-and-dime you on a scope, and you get to the end of it realizing that you just increased their profits and while you ended up making $7/hour after it’s all said and done. In my experience, hard work just leads to more hard work and someone else is always managing to make more than you. I don’t think starting your own business turns this around for anyone.

Hmmm my post seems a little rambly and bitchy. I’m sorry about that. Posting While Tired can be worse than Posting While Drunk sometimes!

He’s running for mayor.

They will ask you to fix it, or to see about getting it fixed. Yet you consider giving up a job with benefits so you can go into debt & run the office for the “creative” types. So you will be fixing the fax machine. And not getting paid.