It is?
Good.
Shut the fucker down. Go House GOP!
:rolleyes:
**How do you fall about US House Republicans right now?
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Too many of them are RINOs. There are nowhere near enough real conservatives in the Republican Party any more.
That’s because Himmler and Goebbels are dead.
They hate Obama much more than they claim to love America. These are the guys who met on Inauguration Day 2009 to make a compact to do everything in their power to obstruct Obama at every turn and destroy his presidency. Now what they are willing to destroy the economy over is to prevent the uninsured from getting health care.
Hey, if a power plant is going to drive up the cost of energy, then I’m 100% in favor of shutting it down.
I hope they do shut down the government. It hasn’t done anything I agree with in many years. Let’s shut the fucker down and see how good life is without it.
You know things are bad when I agree 100% with Der Trihs. 
Tarring and feathering is too good for them.
And if was only on a topic that meant something; either politically possible or morally defensible. Not that I like the dull and clunky compromise that is Obamacare, but it’s based upon Republican state health plans. There’s no fucking reason at all to make it your sticking point. Other than you’re a racist teapartier.
I’ll be over to ransack your house. With more guns than you have. :rolleyes:
Well in defense of the republicans the polls that I see show a fairly consistence 60% (about) level of disapproval rating for Obama Care. In fact I believe this has been rising on a consistent basis. So to make a statement republicans have no credibility to oppose Obama Care would be incorrect. There is much popular sentiment out there opposed to it.
Secondly, all major social change legislation from the past 100 years has received some level of bipartisan support until Obama care, which, as we all know, passed with zero votes on the republican side. Trust busting in the 1890’s, new deal and social security in the 1930’s, and civil rights in the 1960’s, all received varying levels of bi-partition support. In fact the civil rights legislation passed with a higher level of republican support than democratic support.
So Obama Care came about and republicans were left out of the process, except for one day of televised hearing in which they could participate. That day was a farce and we all know it. Obama, Pelosi and Reid would have been much better off, and the country to, if the republicans were at the table to put together a bill they could get some level of republican support, even if it was 15-20% of the Republicans in office at that time.
So on Obama Care, in my opinion the Republicans have a legitimate point and a substantial % of popular sentiment for their efforts.
Politics in democracies is a messy process that is not fun to watch, and we are seeing it. I predict no end to this until revisions are passed through congress with a fairly decent level of republican sponsored adjustments put into Obama Care. It may be 2 year, 4, 8, 12 or 16 years but this is a mess till that happens.
Of course, that’s largely due to people feeling it didn’t go far enough.
Because the present Republicans are rabid lunatics who would vote against oxygen if Obama came out in favor of it.
That’s nonsense; they had plenty of input. It was just all totally nonconstructive and uncompromising. If anything the problem is that Obama has given in to them far too much; trying to compromise with them is useless and self destructive.
That would have been an utterly impossible goal. Obama can’t force the Republicans to support him, and the only way they’d support him on anything would be by force; with literal guns to their heads.
Yep. I have many of these folks. And here in Sunny Southern California, no less. They seem willing, no…eager, to believe even the most silly, stupid, outrageous, easily debunked nonsense about him.
Now I am not really a fan of the President. If the Replublicans had nominated a man with a brain, I may have voted for him. I am always willing to engage in discussion, but Jesus H Christ, lady, Obama does not want eat your children!!!
Well, I disagree on the Obama Care.
At the time Obama just won the election, had a high level of political capital, and frankly I think most people wanted him to succeed. Yes a few on the opposition did not, but that is the game of politics. You will always have that from both sides. Plenty of that in the previous 8 years also.
If Obama had publicly said he wanted a bill with bi-partisan support and for Reid and Pelosi to do what it takes to compromise some and get it least 15-30% of Republican support I think there would have been an overwhelming level of popular support for that to happen. Then all of this now would not be.
Hi Dbgb4, do you by any chance get your news from Fox? I ask because your recollection of Congress’ debate on health care, and the level of GOP opposition, is opposite to what I remember.
I’m willing to defer to SDMB experts about this, but a few seconds with the N.Y. Times search engine found a Sept. 2009 N.Y. Times editorial which seems to chastise the President for being over-eager to compromise.
Let me guess, Dbgb4. You’re one of those who dismisses the N.Y. Times in entirety because it’s a socialist rag on a par with Pravda. 
ETA: “There is much popular sentiment out there opposed to it.” Making this statement, without admitting that much of the opposition is because it doesn’t go far enough, is intellectually dishonest.
Actually, most popular sentiment out there opposed to it is due to the fact that Obamacare is confusing and people are a little scared, most of that last is due to GOP disinformation, however.
I agree, if anything President Obama should have pressed on harder when had the chance to do so.
More accurately practically the entire Republican Party (at least on the national level) banded together to block any sort of substantive legislation on President Obama’s part.
So when did the Democrats threaten to shut down the government over Iraq War funding?
He did and bent over backwards to do so.
They did by for example getting rid of the public option.
That would only have happened if the Republicans had not been so obstinate and accepted the modest healthcare reforms of Obamacare. Instead they sought every whichway to block and derail it.
There is overwhelming public support for most of the provisions of Obamacare.
All of this would not be if the Republicans accepts the reality that Obamacare is essentially the most conservative version of meaningful healthcare reform that expands access possible and that it incorporates plenty of past Republican ideas.
They are stupid, lazy, uncreative, boring, mendacious, demagogic hucksters. Henceforth, I believe we should call them by the name: Congress. They should be left alone on their little monkey island to fling poo about. And lo, they are. We can only hope that next year’s crop of incoming “Congressmembers” can inspire hope in the country the same way that spring training does for Cubs fans. If the choices are Congress or tyranny, I’ll take Congress every time. But I am easily amused.
Senate Republicans didn’t just vote in lockstep over Obamacare. Every piece of legislation that game to the Senate at that time had Republicans voting in unison. They perfected the procedural filibuster, and were using it it on every piece of paper that came to their chamber. There was no such thing as bipartisan legislation, except when Dems crossed over.
Considering the above, Obamacare having no Republican support is hardly surprising and isn’t particularly revealing. Democrats occasionally compromised and crossed the aisle in the Senate during those times, but Republicans never did.
You’re kidding me, right? Because if you were the type of miscreant who would ransack my house, a functioning government wouldn’t stop you. And if you were an honest person who wouldn’t ransack my house, the lack of a government wouldn’t suddenly turn you into a criminal. So I’m guessing that you are just full of shit.
You know all; I am not some right wing nut case as I see you think. I am quite well in the middle with some views that can identify on the left and others on the right side of the political spectrum.
I agree with those on the left Fox News for sure is bias right, and also those on the right the NY Times is bias left. I take both with a grain of salt and try to see the middle and also see what they try and push as their opinions and goals.
What I am relating is my perceptions of the Obama Care process 4 years ago and where it is now, and in essence as Congress is now because of that process.
Obama Care was rammed through without compromise that is clear, and to say otherwise is intellectually dishonest. The Dems were full of victory and hubris at the time and wanted no part of the opposition ideas. The vote count confirms this.
My major point, from my 1st post, is that all major change in the USA has to come from bi-partisan compromise to some degree.