How does “Intelligent Design” account for the (rapid) development of resistance to certain antibiotics by bacteria?
Oversimplifying, I think it would be pretty easy to take a culture of, say, Strept. faecalis and add a “bit” of penicillin in the centre of the plate. Of the surviving bacteria, reculture those that are closest to the penicillin. Repeat as necessary.
I don’t understand the
…question. “God intended it to be so” seems to be the correct answer?
I’m not sure there is a factual answer for this question, so it may be better suited to GD or IMHO.
It’s my understanding that those who subscribe to the theory of Intelligent Design (myself included) acknowledge the adaptation and development of species, but that it is directed by the Creator, or God or whoever you think is the Intelligent Designer.
Ah, I see. I had thought that, in Intelligent Design, the Creator (or what/whomever) started things going and then backed off.
Just to make sure I’m understanding, then, you’re saying he/she/it plays an active role in even relatively mundane day-to-day matters.
Well, I believe he takes an active role, sort of nudging things when needed. I guess there are also those who believe he started the ball rolling and then just sat back and watched what happened.
But then, maybe we need to define “Intelligent Design”. I think of it as creator-directed evolution. That the Creator/Designer is ultimately in control, but is mostly letting things go on their own, only poking his finger in where he thinks it needs it.
[sidenote]Are “creationists” the ones who believe God created the Earth in 6, 24 hour day and then was done? or does Intelligent Design apply to that theory as well?[/sidenote]
As mentioned above, it depends on exactly what flavor of Intelligent Designist you are asking about. I’ve got one ID friend (who has a degree from college and everything) who doesn’t think the earth is more than 10 thousand years old. I’ve got another who thinks it is possible to make all scientific data fit Genesis simply by interpreting Genesis loosely enough.
Personally, once you decide that the details of the Bible don’t work unless some bits are metaphore, I think it is impossible to tell what bits are okay to label metaphore (and what degree of metaphore) and what bits aren’t. Therefore the whole thing has to be scrapped. But that’s a debate for another thread.
ID accepts that microevolution occurs. The conventional ID answer would be that [del]god[/del] an intelligent designed already inserted the gene for penicillin immunity into bacterium but it is not expressed in most of them.
Loaded arugment, so thier can be no factual answer; so this might as well be a debate. Frist, you start out by oversimplyfying the condition (just take some shit and a germ). Second, you have someone (a bioligist?) repeat as necessary. Where is nataural selection in this? It’s being manipulated. to serve up your premise. :rolleyes:
No, not to serve up my premise but, rather, only to use a clear example. If you want, my question is just as germane to the “real world” where bacterial resistance is an ongoing phenomenon.
True, but you are just replacing GOD with man. What you are kind of saying is that if MAN played GOD, what would be the outcome?
By the false “microevolution/macroevolution” distinction. The same way creationists used to account for observed bacterial evolution when they were slightly more honest and just called themselves creationists instead of trying to hide their ignorance with this dumb “ID” sham.
Moved to GD for further discussion.
-xash
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Considering that the bible is a compilation of books by different authors written over several centuries at least, why does some of it being metaphorical mean that you have to throw the whole thing out?
I believe that is the God is Dead theory according to Nitzche.
I am an IDer, but don’t need to get everything OK’d by the bible and certainly I disagree with it being taught in the schools. It is a belief not a science. :smack:
I thought that was Deism, aka “The Divine Watchmaker”
Because the metaphorical meanings are being taken as truths. I fear for the day that Superman books are found 3 billion years from now by a new species of intelligent beings after we’ve vanished.
Okay, make it if we vanished today and they found Superman books 20,000 years from now. I doubt any reminiscence of Superman would exists 3 billions years from now. 
Because there is no way to tell what is metaphorical and what isn’t. Or what laws are sincere and which ones were just a product of the times of the author and no longer applicable. Was the universe created in 6 actualy 24-long days? Did Jesus actually destroy a fig tree? Is it adultery to marry a woman who is divorced? Is it forbidden to eat meat and dairy product together? Is it forbidden to eat crab?
And the punishments forcasted in Deuteronomy for disobeying even one rule are harsh. When the rules of the game are this illegible, I don’t want to play any more.
My $0.02. Which I can post now that we’re in GD.
Intelligent Design issues with Homo sapiens v.1.2 (Post Garden Release):
Enhanced immune system. Current IS doesn’t screen well against cellular dysplasia, is prone to attacking healthy systems.
Secondary copies of key systems: multiple mapping of key cognitive and motor control regions in brain; also backup systems for memory storage and transcription. Back-up copies of substantia nigra and islets of Langerhaans.
Inclusion of cephalo-spinal shunts to relieve cerebro-spinal fluid pressure build-up.
Enhanced vascular network for heart and brain. Proactive clot-busting for excessively sized slots. Enhanced clotting agents to be released near key bleeding spots.
Re-route vascular system for the optical organs. Route vascular web out of path of light. Eliminate retinal blind spot. Reinforce connective tissue binding retinal wall to inside of eye.
These upgrades are reccomended for H. sapiens 1.3.