Is it, or are they off-duty cops with second-jobs?
We could also look at ways to prevent people from going on shooting sprees.
If we place a full-time police officer at every single school, isn’t it only a matter of time before one of the officers goes on a shooting rampage?
They shouldn’t be teachers either, unless the reason they shouldn’t have guns is a lack of dexterity.
The policy I mean is allowing teachers that have the license to carry in school. That policy is implemented in two states. As for how many teachers are carrying - I don’t know, and neither do you. That’s the whole point. You don’t know who’s carrying, so anyone can be.
Have there been any spree killings in schools in those states since this went into effect?
A full time armed guard would be expensive as well as dangerous. I’m thinking a retired guy with a cell phone, sitting at the LOCKED entrance to a school ready to dial 911, might be a better option.
That seems pointless. The schools already have alarm systems and the offices can easily call 911.
Morgenstern’s proposal is suggesting:
- a choke point for access to the building
- a locked door
- an attenant for that door with the ability to summon law enforcement
Some schools certainly already have that, and adding staff would be needless.
Other schools probably still don’t have that, and Morgenstern appears to be suggesting that they add same.
I agree with all of the above, although it doesn’t solve all potential problems.
The biggest problem with Morgenstern’s notion, as mentioned in a previous post, is that lots of schools have multiple entrances; in some cases anyone in the community can walk up to a classroom door without having to pass through a single door, or even gate.
That’ll require architectural work including adding a wall or good fence to remedy.
Just curious as to what people are thinking the differences would be with “armed police officers” as opposed to the already existing (in at least some schools) police officers assigned to the school as resource officers?
I know in theory, the resource officer isn’t supposed to be at the school the whole day, but at my high school, we had two of them, and one of them was *always *there.
We had two massive and territorial gangs assigned to the same school, as well as pretty consistent racial violence, and those officers were on patrol from the moment the doors opened to when the school shut down after clubs and sports practices at night.
I understand that most elementary schools don’t have resource officers, and that most? upper grade schools didn’t have them, but it never bothered me that the officers were there - I was much more likely to get killed in a stampede during one of the gang fights than by police with guns in the hallways.
So (other than the fact that it’s a stupid suggestion that won’t really solve anything) what is the difference between existing resource officers and the armed police/guard in every school suggestion?
Lasciel, it sounds like your school was out on the extreme end of the police-presence spectrum.
However, it sounds like that’s what people think we need every single school in the country to be like: several police officers on campus, armed, for the entire school day, specifically to be guards, not teachers or counselors. That is signficantly different on a national level for the majority of schools, even for ones that already have a police presence.
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Gotcha.
From experience at my school, it doesn’t seem like they would be very useful against external threats BUT from my experience, they did a very good job at minimizing INTERNAL threats - they knew all the major gang-members, they stayed informed as to what students were violent or unstable, and they made a point of keeping on top of things like that - there were LOTS of fights, but no one ever brought weapons into it, because then that specific student would be out of school and unable to defend their school turf.
I don’t have any problems with having police officers in schools - especially if they’re specifically assigned to one school and are tasked with trying to actually minimize or prevent violence rather than stopping it once it starts. I think that could be very useful for those particular needs.
I do have problems with people thinking that police officers assigned to schools is going to make them safer from external threats. For that, I think that we have to look more at either major policy and social-opinion changes as a country, and/or we have to be very conscious of building schools from a secured-entrance standpoint with entrance checks and secured grounds and all that.
When seconds count the police are minutes away.
They DID call the police in the recent school spree shooting.
Armed adults have already stopped spree killers, the media cant seem to find a way to report it.
for a message board that makes a claim it is fighting ignorance there seems to be an overabundance of it WRT gun rights issues.
A famous anti gun journalist from the eighties shot some teens who were trespassing, the local teens always used his pool, so he shot them,with his unregistered pistol.
His name was Carl something, I want to say Ronin or Roman but I cant remember.
Any our liberal hero anti gun journalist really hated that other people had guns.
Lots of these anti gun liberals are the same way.
They cant control their temper. They know that they will fly off the handle and shoot a teen for pushing boundaries.
So they use their feverish imagination to lead themselves to think that everyone else is as unhinged as he/she is.
All anti gun politcritters are protected by armed security of some sort.
All people against armed adults on school grounds, whether they are self aware enough to admit it to themselves or not - want people to have to fight armed killers with their bare hands while the 911 call center records the screams of the dying.
I will not give up my rights because terrified idiots scream for more bigger better Big Brother.
Unless the children are teleported directly into the building the door has to be open when they arrive and depart. It’s cheaper in the long run to train a dozen teachers on how to use a gun and allow the weapon to remain hidden from view so they are not a target.
I’m surprised the suggestion was police (big government) and not some private security firm his friend runs (free market).
And locking the doors sounds like a bad idea. Imagine everyone trying to run away from the crazed gunmen and finding a locked door.
Has an armed teacher ever stopped a killer - internal or external?
Assistant principal.
No. There haven’t been any shootings by teachers or any stealing of teachers’ guns either, like people here are prophesizing.