How far do you go to not do business with a specific company?

I wish I knew that two months ago: I just ordered some seeds from them for the first time ever.

I wouldn’t boycott a shop for quoting that. That’s a pretty generic statement of Christianity.

That’s more “self defense”. :laughing:

Yeah, my auto mechanic and i once made the mistake of discussing politics. But he’s a good mechanic and I’m a good customer, so we backed away from that topic. He’s not a frothing MAGA, but I’m pretty sure our votes cancel.

I’ve boycotted Nestle for years. I dropped it for a while when they made peace with their critics (baby formula), then restarted it when they stopped playing nice. Now it’s just habit. It’s true that Nestle’s smaller competitors don’t have the greatest standards either, but I’m not in the market for baby formula at the moment.

I notice other Nestle scandals from time to time. This link has some ones I wasn’t aware of.

I ought to rewatch The Good Place sometime.

Yeah, there’s got to be a set of overlapping scales for all of this stuff, including:

  • How bad is the reason for avoidance? - that could be anything from ‘company goes out of their way to do something explicitly evil’ to ‘company probably doesn’t do as much as I would like to create good’
  • How avoidable is the product or service in general? - I need to buy food from somewhere - probably including supermarkets; pretty nearly all of them will have some ingrained policies or behaviours that do some sort of damage to something or someone, but what’s the alternative? Buying from super-ethical sources always costs more, which means I have less money, which puts pressure on my ‘optional’ spend (that is the money I could stop spending and not die), which portion of spending includes my charitable donations.
  • What situation occasions the business? - Sometimes I am the patron of a business by pure choice and I could easily go elsewhere with no effort. Sometimes it’s a bit more like an emergency and the first available choice, or the only choice, is the necessary one. (Say, someone faints in the street and needs water - I am grabbing a bottle of water from somewhere without checking the ethics of the company/parent company).

Over in the old world, certainly after the re-election of your orange prez and all the damage this has been doing internationaly, there’s been an uptick into a “GoEU” movement. It can be combined with a move away from big US tech companies over privacy concerns.

That’s what I have been doing and motivating my family members to do the same.

In practice: I avoid buying products from US companies. I’d prefer anything EU/European over Coke/Pepsi, Nike. Levi’s, Amazon, etc.
We now host our mail/calendar/contacts/docs with a German provider - paid - instead of “free” with Google.

Not everything has an easy drop-in replacement, but demand creates supply, so I’m confident it’ll work out. It also makes you pause and question what you really need in a product.

Also nothing from Israel of course, but they are easier to avoid.

Over my side of the pond, we boycott business that we know voted for brexit (Wetherspoons, Dyson, Warburtons etc), and I also only use amazon for their wishlist thing. My partner puts stuff on a wishlist and I go elsewhere to buy it for birthdays and xmas.

I quit going to Panera after a manager threw my bag of food at me across the pick-up counter after I told her it was supposed to be to go.

I used to go to Hobby Lobby regularly, mostly when I had returned to model rocketry about 20 years ago: they had good prices on Estes kits and rocket motors, and regularly had coupons which one could use on them. But, once I learned more about their corporate culture, it was easy enough to switch to a local store (until they closed up shop) or online retailers for most things.

I generally avoid going to Home Depot unless I really have no choice, though my choice on that is more about just how annoying it is to shop there, and the lack of competent help from the staff. There is an outstanding local Ace Hardware near my house, with a great staff, and they are absolutely my first choice for home improvement stuff.

The problem is that Nestle is HUGE. They own major food-related businesses in anything from pet food (Purina) to Coffee Mate, Hot Pockets and Haagen Dazs, as well as all the actually Nestle/Nes-? branded stuff (Nestle Crunch, Nescafe, etc…)

List of Nestlé brands - Wikipedia

Boycotting all that might actually be a real chore.

Yeah, I used to work for a healthcare company that provided on-site clinic services to them, and they ended up not renewing our agreement because too many people on our side emailed them on Sundays, and they didn’t like that. :roll_eyes: It was all good though, they were demanding and sucked as a customer, at least from an IT perspective.

And also… if you are still into model rocketry, AC Supply is a great place to look.

Where I live Home Depot is on the other end of town, and similar places are closer, so I rarely go there, but they do something very odd in that store that I’m sure is driving away some customers.

I’m very cognizant of background music. They play, at ear-splitting volume, heavy metal music on their sound system. Now I enjoy “Highway to Hell” as much as the next guy, and I kind of dig it, but after 10 or 12 songs like that played at a volume that makes conversation impossible, I’m ready to leave. I can’t imagine why they do it.

I used to avoid them because of their political leanings, but I’ve heard that’s changed a bit (or they’ve shut up about it) so I do shop there occasionally.

I did the work decades ago and am now on cruise control. Updating today, here are some ones I didn’t know about.

S.Pellegrino (Bottled water)
Starbucks (Perpetual License for products sold outside of Starbucks coffeehouses)

I see Deer Park spring water is no longer owned by Nestle. They did list Perrier. I had forgotten about Dreyer’s and Haagen Daaz. (Breyer’s OTOH is ok.) I’ve boycotted Stouffer’s for a while. Apropos nothing, you would think that a food company would make more of an effort to keep its nose clean.

If the product or service is what I want, I do not consider their politics. That is not how I feel that I can influence things. I vote.
The Nazi party in WW2 had the best looking uniforms.

I wouldn’t say I “boycott” anything, but I do avoid Chick-Fil-A (partly because of their policies and partly because I don’t really like their food), and I’ve never set food inside a Hobby Lobby because I don’t want to support them.

I think the thing is that it’s one thing for a company to donate to politicians/parties, in that it might be a certain amount of self-preservation and/or self-interest, and another to actually enact policies that are odious to their workers or customers.

And another thing entirely if personages employed by the company or the ownership expresses their political views.

For example, I don’t really think that Silicon Valley is terribly liberal overall, but it’s in their best interests to donate heavily to the Democratic party because they’re the ones who tend to be more tech-savvy and tech-friendly, as opposed to the Republicans who tend toward oppressive tech legislation.

Or getting all het up because the President/CEO of Goya Foods is a big Trumper, even though the company itself didn’t do much of anything supportive, and its board actually censured the CEO for his statements.

Contrast this with companies like Hobby Lobby which didn’t allow their corporate health insurance to pay for birth control at one point, or other equally odious stuff that other companies have done, like Nestle’s baby formula marketing.

This.

I really don’t care whether the CEO is a raging trumper in public or only in private. Because those are the only two choices statistically speaking. Psychopaths of a feather flock together.

I care whether stuff is in stock, the website’s beliefs about in-store inventory resemble the actual in-store inventory, and the employees speak English and know a screw from a nut.

And HD around here generally flunks every one of those tests.

Good point, but nestle stopped doing that, quite some time ago.

I try to use Amazon as little as possible. First because Bezos is an asshole. Second because they bought the company my SIL worked for and then basically closed it and laid everyone off. The second part happened about a year ago, just when jobs for 56 yo programmers disappeared. I have never been inside a Wal-Mart and a Target only once.

My take for companies that treat employees badly is that the secret solution is for workers, not customers, to boycott those places.

Asshole company treats employees badly? Don’t work there. Asshole company treats customers badly? Don’t buy from there. Asshole company treats vendors badly? Don’t sell to there.

Stick to your lane for maximum leverage. The company with trouble recruiting because they treat customers badly or trouble with sales because they treat employees badly, or trouble with vendors because they treat the environment badly is like the dog you beat a week after it shit in the living room. They have no idea how to interpret your unfocused message. So they don’t alter their behavior and your message is wasted.

I figured they would after a while. I was wrong. Nestle dodges and weaves. Here’s a report from 2018:

In 2018, the Changing Markets Foundation and Globalization Monitor published a report investigating the general, nutrition and health claims on infant milk products for babies under 12 months old sold by the market leader, Nestlé. The report, Busting the myth of science-based formula, highlighted a number of ways in which Nestlé’s ‘commitment to science’ appears to be little more than a marketing strategy, including giving contradictory nutritional advice and carrying claims of questionable credibility, including products claiming to be modelled on breastmilk. In particular, the report exposed concrete inconsistencies in Nestlé’s product range, highlighting instances in which its products contradicted its own nutritional advice in relation to sucrose and vanilla flavourings.

In response, Nestlé committed to removing sucrose and vanilla compounds from all its products for babies under 12 months of age. They also committed to removing contradictory nutritional advice on sucrose and vanilla flavourings.

One year after these commitments, we have reviewed Nestlé products and nutritional claims and found that Nestlé has so far failed to fulfil two out of these three promises. … We have also found examples where Nestlé continues to compare its products to human milk. This is in breach of the WHO Marketing Code and subsequent resolutions, and is problematic from the perspective of Nestlé’s scientific credibility, as there is a clear scientific consensus that formula can never be close to breastmilk.

I obtained that citation from a 2018 NBER report which estimated a 27% increase in infant death rates in 1981, which was peak Nestle. That amounted to 212,000 excess deaths per year.

(And I obtained the NBER cite from wiki.)

This.

The color of retail is green. There was a guy on Lawn Guyland who famously had a Trump store - T-shirts, hats, flags, bobbleheads, other shit - he sold it because people wanted to buy it. One of the biggest wholesale importers of Christmas decorations in Jewish. I have no problem with either of them selling what the market wants (even if I don’t want it)
However, when a retailer has an overtly political or religious message in their store/stall that has nothing to do with what they’re selling I figure they’re a dumbass if that don’t understand that message is costing them income. In the runup to the last election I didn’t make purchases from vendors on both sides that had presidential signs that had nothing to do with what they were selling.