How fractional reserve banking and M0 work

FDIC insurance does create something of a moral hazard. It’s not like regular insurance where the premiums are set by the free market. For example, knowing it’s there, if he’s shopping around for CDs under the $250k limit, an investor will generally go for the best rate without regard for what shitty bank he’s buying from (ok, not quite true, because secondary market makers are not protected by FDIC insurance, so there’s not the same liquidity). The FDIC enables bad banks to borrow some money at similar rates to good banks.

The moral hazard is mitigated by regulation - reserve requirements, capital adequacy ratios, many other reporting requirements that make it extremely difficult in practice to operate a bank as a deliberate scam. But the FDIC does enable poorly run banks to a certain extent.

It doesnt require fraud just awareness of deposit insurance and not caring about losses that are thus insured

What asset? The only asset I have is $50k that I made from my investment. I still owe the original depositors $1m.

But the deposit is both an asset and liability under the insanity if fractional reserve banking

I give up. This is nonsense.

Can anyone who actually knows banking verify if this statement is true?

And even if it is true, so what? The assets and liabilities cancel out, and leave you with the money you made investing.

The plan is perfect, except convincing people to loan you $1000 for $1.

Yes it is its why finance is a joke

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Can anyone who actually knows banking verify if this statement is true?

And even if it is true, so what? The assets and liabilities cancel out, and leave you with the money you made investing. /QUOTE]

Which is 50x more than you spent

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Just out of curiosity, where did you study economics and banking? What institution? What credentials do you hold?

So? 50x more than $1000 is not “infinite money”

IANAL, but I think by the time FDIC gets involved, G-men with guns will be stamping “This is the property of the Comptroller of the Currency” on your espresso machines.

Not only is it not infinite money, there’s some major problems, like the fact that the Fed is almost certainly going to ask for the reserves to be held by them, not the rotating chain of banks. So, already, the scheme depends on just giving up 10% of the initial investment for EACH new bank that pops up. Then there’s the FDIC to pay off (again for EACH new bank) because FDIC insurance isn’t automatic - membership has its costs.

A bank going belly up has some major overhead if FDIC insurance fraud is the goal. As above, the numbers just plain don’t add up before the FDIC gets involved. Once those insurance premiums get involved, it gets worse, much less the money the Fed is going to hold in reserve and not return when the bank ‘fails’.

How this produces any profit, much less “infinite” money is beyond me.

Doesn’t even seem like we got to that part of the “plan” yet. So far, it is just “get people to loan you $1000 for $1, and then invest that money and make a profit”

Once again, do you think banking regulators will look at a bank that has quintillions of dollars that were obtained through transactions with companies that have no means to repay the funds, and the regulators would just say, “Yep, this bank singlehandledly controls more money than the entire world has produced to date, and literally none of it has been put to any productive use, but everything is squared away!”

You really, really think that’s what will happen?

In the sequel I think I may have gotten just a tad carried away. Read at your peril.

The Wiki article gives a formula for the maximum multiplier. Let’s work through a real example, with sub-maximal multiplication. For this exercize we will not explore whether the bank’s investments are prudent.

[ul]
[li] 1. Adam deposits $1000 at Fop Bank. Fop puts $100 in his vault for the reserve and a sign in the window: “$900! Come and get it!”[/li][li] 2. Bob shows up, agrees to pay interest and walks away with $900. He spends $100 on cocaine, puts $100 under his pillow and gives the rest to Charlie, his plumber.[/li][li] 3. Charlie is wallowing in cash so decides to open a checking account. For simplicity, he chooses Fop Bank.[/li][li] 4. Fop now has $1700 of deposits and $1700 of assets ($800 in cash and Bob’s loan worth $900.) Fop puts another $70 in the vault in case the auditors show up and waits for someone to borrow $630.[/li][li] 5. Donny shows up, but he doesn’t want $630; he wants $2000. “We don’t have that much cash on hand. Take a checking book?” “Sure!”[/li]Fop adds another $200 cash to the reserve in the vault.
[li] 6. Eddie borrows the last $430, buys $30 worth of party paraphanalia and gives the rest to his favorite hooker Felicia.[/li][li] 7. Felicia gives $200 to her coke dealer and deposits the remaining $200 at Fop bank.[/li][li] 8. Fop lends $1800 to George in the form of a cashier’s check. George gives the check to Felicia who deposits it at Fop and takes George for a glorious holiday at Coney Island.[/li][/ul]

At this point, the $1000 of cash (“M0”) is distributed as follows:
[ul]
[li] Bob put $100 under his pillow[/li][li] Party store has $30 of cash from its sale to Eddie[/li][li] The cocaine dealer has sent $300 to the Juarez cartel.[/li][li] The remaining $570 is sitting in Fop’s vault, just enough to serve as reserve for Fop’s demand deposits which total $5700.[/li][/ul]

Fop’s Books balance, assets and liabilities both equalling $5700
Liabilities:
[ul]
[li] We owe Adam $1000[/li][li] We owe Charlie $700[/li][li] We owe Donnie $2000[/li][li] We owe Felicia $2000[/li][/ul]

Assets
[ul]
[li] Bob owes us $900[/li][li] Donnie owes us $2000[/li][li] George owes us $1800[/li][li] Eddie owes us $430[/li][li] Vault Cash $570[/li][/ul]
(Considering how George spent his $1800, his may turn into a “bad loan.” Since he mentions “fdic” sometimes, this might be related to Mr. Mustang’s point.)

Interestingly, M0, as traditionally measured, has been reduced to only $430 ! This is because the required reserves are NOT included in M0 (nor in M1) whether held in the bank’s vault or deposited with the FRB. However, an MB measure may now be more popular than M0, and MB does include those reserves.

Either way, an initial $1000 (whether M0 or M1) has turned into $6030 of M1. The money has “multiplied” by 6.03.

So basically it would destroy all banks based on rationally self interested the actions of 1. Great

If they follow the law yes

Again, you are skipping some steps.

I have $1M in deposits which I have invested in a 5% annual investment.

Every year I make $50,000. Still not “infinite” money.

That’s where we last left this. What’s my next step?

You think the law allows banks to loan money to shell companies that have no means to repay, for no other purpose than to inflate its holdings?

Why not just let banks add a zero to every deposit account they hold?

They would, but the directors of the banks are just too lazy.