How many people work for the US coal industry? About 40,000 according my research. Less than 2x the population of Bryant, Arkansas or about the same number employed by MetLife.
I just find it interesting when it comes to brown people working in the USA illegally, all of a sudden certain groups of people suddenly become legal scholars.
The premise is wrong.
Please, they are just blaming the victim. We are exploiting and persecution "illegal immigrants; they aren’t screwing us, we are screwing them. The system was carefully designed over decades to produce large numbers of easily exploitable undocumented immigrants, while making sure that a minimal number had any chance to immigrate legally.
And of course, the people who rant about “illegals” don’t actually care about an immigrant’s legal status in the first place, or if they are an immigrant at all. They care about skin color. This is about ethnic cleansing, not immigration.
That was my point.
I didn’t say it was a true statement. I said that is the perspective of at least some of the “illegal immigration is bad because it’s illegal” people. From one mindset they can argue that the train we need heavily limited legal immigration is because of trampant illegal immigration.
“If we cut off all the illegal immigration, then there would be more room and more capability to put to legal immigration. We could increase legal immigration and improve the wait times.”
I know this is a fallacy (or a couple of fallacies), it’s still a premise many believe.
I see this joker was already banned, but whenever I see this sort of sentiment I want to ask, “So we should be throwing anyone who’s torn the tag off a mattress in jail?” *
We have some discretion in how our laws are enforced. Sometimes a lot of discretion. Without discretion we would might be trying to issue tickets to everyone who drives 55.1 mph in a 55 zone. The fact is we have chosen to enforce immigration in a certain way and I think that way is without benefit at best, certainly unkind and spiteful and at worst racist and authoritarian. Trying to tell me that’s merely a logical consequence of being a nation of laws will just make me point and laugh.
Your example about issuing tickets for driving 55.1 in a 55 shows how weird people think about risk and what should and should not be policed.
Driving 55.1 in a 55 should absolutely be ticketed. US drivers are terrible le and getting worse. Undocumented immigrants are practically absent from your statistical chance of getting hurt.
No, because those tags have contained the language “EXCEPT BY THE CONSUMER” since the 90s. 
And incentivizing them fixating on that level of precision is going to make them better? Seems more likely to cause accidents due to tunnel vision on the speedometer rather than looking outside.
Which is to say, figuring out incentives is hard at the government level. Maybe those in power think we are motivating people to self deport. Maybe we are. And maybe that’s a mistake because we need some of those people, never mind the ethics of the situation. We may not realize the actual consequences of this policy for years.
The point is not the level of precision, but focusing on actual danger instead of populist scapegoats.
How would you know? Speedometers are not that accurate, generally within 5MPH, which is why police generally dont ticket in that range.
Driving a tenth of a MPH over is not actual danger.
Wanna talk actual danger? Second hand Smoke kills around 40,000 Americans a year, mostly children and the elderly.
But yes, “illegals” are not a significant danger.
55.1 mph is in the measurement noise. You could just as easily be ticketing someone driving 49.9 mph.
US drivers are far from the worst in the world. Yes, road rage is a well known phenomenon, but it’s the shooting at each other that makes US drivers stand out. A 0.1 mph violation of the speed limit is not nearly on the list of unsafe driving practices of consequence to safety.
I would rather someone drive 40 in a 35 but be attentive and considerate to other drivers than drive 32 in a 35 but be texting or tailgating or weaving through traffic to shave 45 seconds off their morning commute.
That is true.
Fun fact: Being in the US without papers (documentaion) isn’t a crime or a criminal offense. It’s a civil offense like littering, smoking in a bus stop shelter or not picking up your dog’s poop when you’re out walking.
So, when it’s pointed out that nearly 2/3 of all the ‘illegals’ picked up so far had no criminal record…..and the MAGA flunkies say “being here illegally is their crime!!!”, that’s a lie. It isn’t a crime. People are being hunted, snatched up and terrorised for the legal equivalent of leaving Fido’s poop where it fell.
Don’t give the fascist state apparatus ideas…
Well no, if the expectation is that you can be ticketed for driving over the limit at all, then behavior shifts to driving 5-10 MPH under the speed limit in the same way most Americans drive 5-10 MPH over the limit. I’ve read this about Mexico, though it seems to be more regional than national. Plus they tend to put a lot of difficult-to-see speed bumps on urban and village streets that you don’t want to hit at speed unexpectedly. Physical infrastructure can enforce speeds 24/7/365 after all.
Point is, behavior will shift similarly to strict enforcement as it does to lax enforcement, at least as long as one isn’t easier to challenge in court than the other. I’m not sure it’s a good analogy for the ICE situation though, unless the penalty for driving over the limit by even 1 MPH is to have your car crushed into a cube while you spend six months in jail without ever having gone to court.