What’s hilarious is if everyone thought the way you did, we would not have the Truth & Reconciliation Commission’s report, and we likely would not know these mass graveyards even existed. You’re essentially angry that I’ve asked questions about when the burials occurred, or sought more information on the circumstances. I can only assume that is what you are angry about because that’s basically all I have done. There’s a lot of people crying like stupid bitches in this thread over kids they never met, that none of you give two shits about, and never have given two shits about. It’s all tied into your psychotic need to attack political enemies. My interest in it has always been more historical, I’m curious about the details, and I dislike seeing mouth breather style comments like RickJay saying that “people need to be arrested.”
There is no clear evidence from “radar detected bodies” that anyone died of foul play or that any crime has been committed. At least down here in the United States we actually like to start with at least some veneer of evidence of criminality before arresting people. But SDMB’s lynch mob doesn’t work that way.
This forum used to be about fighting ignorance, and yet there’s little more than the ignorant wails of screaming babies present in this thread. Did you even read the 44 page report I linked to? It’s prepared by a Canadian government entity specifically chartered to investigate this matter. How many of you condemning me are even familiar with the source material?
All the documents that confirm the thousands of eye witness reports of crimes and horror that are in the Truth and reconciliation report, belong to the government and the church.
Both of whom have denied and stonewalled what is confirmed by witnesses. Through all those years, they both denied, diminished while holding the documents that prove it’s all true and then some.
These graves are just more confirmation of what is well known, for generations, of First Nations. For generations gov and church have refused to provide the documents they admit exist, that would give the parents who’s children never came home, ANY answers. Literally generations of indigenous parents were destroyed by never knowing.
These truths are not to be whitewashed, they MUST be acknowledged.
You can never reach reconciliation without fully acknowledging the truth. Or you get the kind of rabid political divide, generations later, like you see manifesting in the American south.
Your manufactured outrage is. By the way you know who actually encourages things like the government replacing people’s cultural beliefs with forced schooling are right? That’s the left. I.e. miscreants like you.
I assume the parents knew. The report makes no mention that parents weren’t notified of deaths. “Death by disease”, there isn’t much more to know than that from a parent’s POV. Knowing the specific course of the illness and how long they suffered or didn’t suffer doesn’t change anything. In most cases it was the good cases where they died of their disease at school–as the T&C report mentions the schools were major vectors for infectious disease back into the reservations. Kids who got too sick would be sent back to their parents, where they would then infect everyone around them. From a utilitarian standpoint for the Natives it was a tragic blessing when they died at the schools versus being sent home.
…other than the crime of cultural genocide, of course (with the understanding that the graves themselves do not constitute the entirety of the –ahem– corpus delecti).
It’s a crime that the Designated Hitter rule and regular season interleague play exist, and that Rupert Murdoch was ever allowed to own a MLB team, let alone my beloved Dodgers. I am affiliated with no tribunal. I’ll call cultural genocide a crime if I want to.
You assume wrong. The paper you rely on was published on 2014, the 2015 Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada, that was posted already by @slash2k reported that parents were often not informed of the death of their children.
These examples point to a larger picture: many students who went to residential school never returned. They were lost to their families. They died at rates that were far higher than those experienced by the general school-aged population. Their parents were often uninformed of their sickness and death. They were buried away from their families in long-neglected graves. No one took care to count how many died or to record where they were buried.
It’s true that criminal prosecutions would be relatively difficult, but there’s no shortage of specific crimes committed by specific people. Survivor accounts are full of violent physical abuse, sexual abuse, and other things which are most definitely covered by the Criminal Code, were committed by specific people, and supported by specific eyewitness testimony.
The overarching crime of constructing a system intended to destroy entire cultures was of course committed mostly by people who are long dead, and hence safe from prosecution.
Even at the turn of the century, the death rates at residential schools were raising eyebrows. The government of the day had the misfortune to hire an ethical doctor to look at the problem, and when in 1907 he issued a report finding the government guilty of negligence and offering recommendations to remedy the situation he was ignored and silenced. The officials of the day were well aware of what they were doing. They were doing it will ill intentions. We don’t need to extend any more charity towards them than their own contemporary did.
And I assume you’ll keep lying and strawmanning aka the only ways you know how to post.
Again, this has been a habit of people in this thread. A poster says a specific dumb thing–in this case RickJay calling for arrests, not just wringing his hands and saying “oh the terrible things that happened”, but calling for people living today to be arrested. I respond to that in a fairly logical way, and the mouth breathers in the thread start foaming at the mouth about complete nonsense I never said.
Again–if you want to call shit that happened with long dead people a crime, I don’t really care. I’m not about arguing that. But if you want to see people, like real world, non-SDMB fetish dream people who exist in flesh and bone, charged with a crime, you need specific crimes linked to specific people. This isn’t that complicated. Rick’s claim that arrests need to happen was specifically in response to the revelation that another graveyard had been discovered. Keep in mind these have been discovered via ground-penetrating radar. That means no Canadian equivalent of a medical examiner has exhumed and examined the remains, no determination has been made for cause of death, year of death etc. We don’t usually in free societies just start arresting random conservatives because ground penetrating radar discovered bodies, most of which probably were buried in the 1930s and earlier.
There are many, many victims of physical and sexual abuse at the schools who are alive today. Some of the perpetrators of that abuse would also still be alive. This isn’t just about people who are long dead.
And there is indeed some talk of charges in the case of the Marieval School. The RCMP say they are investigating whether charges could be brought. Those charges would be related to bulldozing grave markers in the 60’s, so not directly related to the deaths of the children.
Like I said with my original question “arrested for what crimes?” In response to this post:
You’re alleging lots of living abuse victims are alive today whose abusers are also still alive. Do you believe evidence of buried bodies, detected by ground-penetrating radar, would be part of the evidence used against people indicted for sex crimes?