The Presidents Clinton.
“Democrat” is fine as a noun, and not a slur. “Democrat” as an adjective is improper and usually used as a slur. I think slurs are rude and obnoxious, and I think it’s reasonable to call them out.
The same goes for racial and religious (and other) slurs – I encourage people to call out and criticize their use. It’s no more “letting them win” to call them out then it’s letting homophobes win by calling out their usage of anti-gay slurs.
Personally, I usually refer to any nationally-prominent politician by last name, except when that would be ambiguous (which happens much more often when there are two prominent politicians with the same last name). If I’m talking about both of the Clintons, then I’ll refer to them either as “Hillary Clinton” and “Bill Clinton”, or just as “Hillary” and “Bill” (depending on whether the context makes it obvious that it’s about them).
But yeah, there are plenty of reasons why others might just call her “Hillary”, and those reasons are not necessarily sexist. It’s analogous to calling the 43rd President “Dubya”, or his brother John “Jeb”.
I usually use “That fucking Nixon,” “That fucking Reagan,” and “That fucking clown Bush.”
I’m gonna call Hillz “the Prez,” in honor of Lester Young.
Just noticed that with this thread, but there is a need and precedents set for differentiating different members of the same family, note George W Bush
Bush 42
Clinton 44?
Bit too cold, init.
Theoretically, a bit over 2 weeks.
Proper protocol should take effect after she’s elected, but as a shorthand, it will likely be Hillary until she retires as there will be a need to distinguish her from her former President husband. Eisenhower was always ‘Ike’, wasn’t he?
Really? I would have gone with Chuck and Cam Rothesay.
…which sounds like the last item on an ingredients list, after mono- and diglycerides.
I doubt there were many occasions when it was ambiguous if you were talking about Dwight or Milton.
I think they’re the future Prince & Princess of Wales. Chuck & Cammy are the current title holders.
I’m guessing she stops being “Hillary” on January 19th.
Back in '92 I seem to remember that in casual contexts Bill Clinton and Al Gore tended to be referred to (and themselves refer to one another) like that: by shortened-first plus family name. If in a more formal environment however it was Governor Clinton and Senator Gore. But as has been mentioned before with the current candidate you have the issue that there is already another very prominent Politician Clinton(*). In any case, as mentioned, embracing the Hillary brand takes away from the opposition the use of the first-name-basis as some sort of put-down(**), and helps make her “friendlier” (and Og knows she needs it).
As mentioned in the '08 debates, I suspect Obama referring too McCain as “John” was a way of saying “Seniority schmeniority, I’m as much a Senator and candidate as you are.”
And YES, the use of honorifics and rank titles among civil society IS passing away. Pretty soon the only places you will hear “(Title) So-and-so, Sir” is going to be where some actual regulation *mandates *that protocol (courtrooms, Legislative hearings, military duty posts, etc). Won’t bother me that much TBH.
(*In a way it’s just too bad that the culture she moved in made it politically unsustainable for her to remain simply Rodham – and kind of disheartening that large segments of the population still today would find that objectionable.)
(**And reserves the referring to Donald as just Donald for use as a way to get under his skin, since HE is so attached to the sound of “Mr. Trump, Sir”)
Interesting. I’ve never used anything but Doctor (whether it’s MD or PhD, they’ve put in the time) regardless of sex. Guess it says something about me.
Has she ever actually used “Rodham-Clinton” as a hyphenated surname? She was plain Hillary Rodham until her husband lost his bid for reelection to the governorship of Arkansas back in 1980; then she took his last name and used her maiden name as a middle name (something prominent American women have been doing since the 19th century & unlikely to ruffle any feathers). Carol Moseley Braun on the other was known as Carol Moseley-Braun when she was a US Senator, but dropped the hyphen when she ran for president back in 2004.
Yep, then she’ll be Madam President.
Cammy is Duchess of Cornwall, but not the Princess of Wales.
I’d say the coldest thing about that is the inaccuracy.
Bush 43
Clinton 45
The Clinton ad I heard on TV during yesterday’s news called her “Hillary.” In Texas!
If it’s systemic sexism in Western media one should expect to see this first name bias applied to other prominent women in politics.
Elizabeth
Loretta
Angela
Theresa
Ruth
Janet
Madeleine
Condoleezza
Kellyanne
Nikki
Jan
Sarah
I don’t find this to be the case, but your mileage may vary. A media analysis study would be interesting.
A bit before my time, so I’ll ask. Did the '80s media regularly refer to Mondale’s VP as Geraldine?
I don’t think the media called Sanders by his first name much, at least not in print. On talking head shows, definitely. I don’t remember Sanders supporters calling this out as disrespect, probably because they liked the idea of him being a personable grandfatherly figure and because of the memes and slogans around his first name, e.g. feel the Bern. They definitely didn’t like being called “Bernie bros,” but that’s a different issue.
If you want to be more formal and avoid confusion call her HRC. One of Hillary’s perceived flaws is that she’s cold and distant, so using her first name on a regular basis might help with that. I agree with the reasons given so far.
I tend to agree with the points made above - it’s not sexist, it’s part of a general trend toward first name usage, it distinguishes her from Bill, it sounds friendlier, and it gives her permission to talk about “Donald,” which we’re told he hates.
Also, “Hill-uh-REE! Hill-uh-REE!” makes a rousing chant for the crowds to shout (“Clinton!” not so much), and effectively overwrites any lingering auditory memory of “lock her UP! lock her UP!”