How much would the US presidency be worth if sold on the open market?

I’ve been randomly speculating about Trump’s candidacy, his purported worth, and how much he or someone like him would be willing to spend to win. But a campaign is long and arduous and even if you have the most money or spend the most, you may not necessarily win. Plus, you are beholden to your party apparatus and supporters. So, for fun, I thought what it would cost if someone could just outright buy the US presidency. My scenario would be:

  • Only US citizens and otherwise qualified individuals can buy it. Same rules on eligibility apply

  • It cannot be a shared position though of course once president, someone is free to delegate how he or she deems appropriate. Someone HAS to be president, it cannot be purchased by Apple, for instance, it must be by Tim Cook

  • No foreign money. Another country cannot find one person they want to give a few billion dollars to and buy it for him.

  • Purchase must be in cash, not stocks or bonds or holdings or net worth. Someone has to have the cash ready to be transferred all at once at the moment the auction is closed. If you’re worth a lot but have it mostly in property, holdings, etc., you’ll have to sell that off before you make the purchase

  • For ease, let’s say the person has to exist right now and have that money. No fictional billionaires. No “well if there’s a guy who’s worth a trillion dollars…”

  • No other members of the legislature can be bought. Elections and rules governing them would remain the same. So you can only get the presidency, not all of Congress too

  • For the purposes of this hypothetical, Congress may not impeach the president unless its an actual, serious felony

According to Google, there’s 615 billionaires in America. Not sure how many would qualify for president, but let’s say its around that many. I’m certain the cost would be in the billions, but these guys would go from a position of almost absolute authority to having to share it with 535 other people. You can do a lot as a president but you can also be blocked from doing things. I’m sure Congress and the American people would have some issues with somebody who didn’t campaign, didn’t bother to try to convince anyone he’s the right person for the job, and just bought into it. For many, the inauguration would be the first real look you’d see of the guy, not to mention you probably have little idea of what policies he favors.

And maybe for a guy with only a couple billion, he wouldn’t spend like half or most of his net worth on something that only lasts 4 years and you’re not guaranteed to be able to do major things. I mean, think of some past presidents. Would you pay a billion dollars to be GWB and be hated? Would it be worth a billion dollars to have Nixon’s presidency?

Another thing I considered was current billionaire kingmakers in the GOP. The Koch brothers have like $50 billion between them, but reports say they only spend like $400 million in 2012. I don’t know how much of that was because laws prevented them from spending more, but even if someone’s worth that much and the prize was the actual presidency, I don’t think most billionaires, even politically active ones, would consider a 4 year deal to be worth in the billions. I’m sure they would spend more, but I don’t think they’d drop like $10 billion on it. They’re businessmen, well most billionaires are, and they spend to make money for their enterprises. If one of them was president, I don’t think they can wring out $10 billion from 4 years of work. It would be a net loss for them, so they wouldn’t do it.

I think the cost of the presidency’s got to be somewhere around $5 billion. I don’t think it’ll reach into the 10+ billions, there’s just not that much money to be made as a politician. Fanatical fundies who have crazy social beliefs don’t have that kind of money, and nobody else would feel its worth it. Maybe between $3-$6 billion is my guess. What say you?

I’m not clear on if you are allowing pooled money in your hypothetical. Or if the loser still has to pay the money, or is it only highest winner pays?

I could easily see a Go Fund Me war bracket replacing the primary and election season if that is the case. Once a candidate is clearly losing, if their supporters can just transfer to their next choice, I could easily see it getting to 20-30 billion by the last two or three candidates.

I think you need to ask yourself, “to whom does the money get paid”? That is, if I’m buying the Presidency, who is selling it? Effectively, you’d be buying it from the American people. You’d have to offer the people a certain amount of money if you get the job. Which is pretty much what politicians do, whether it’s the guy in the welfare line, Joe Lunchbucket, or Mr. Bigboss.

Now, how much do they offer? That is, how much gets thrown around in excess of the absolute minimal functions of the government? Without going into details, I’m going to guess it’s at least a couple trillion a year, or $8 trillion over the four-year term. But that also finances 535 members of Congress buying their seats as well, so you have to divide that by 536, and we conclude that it would take about $15 billion.

Now, would anyone actually pay $15 billion for one term as President? I doubt it, but no one has to. After all, why spend your own money when you can finance most of it with funds you take from the people who are selling you the office, and fill in the rest with loans you have no intention or obligation to pay back?

Money transfers would have to work as normal. Let’s say you have a guy like who has $2 billion in cash. He and another guy with $3 billion want to pool their resources. But current rules on money transfers have taxes and stuff on them, you can’t just give another person a billion dollars. And with the rules I envision, once one guy has the $5 billion and becomes president, he cannot legally be forced by the other guy to share power. Its all under one guy’s name so to speak

For the purposes of this hypothetical, I’d be fine with the money going to some place where the president can’t just transfer it back into his own account. Maybe a general pool fund that the government collects in taxes, to be used for typical government funding like paying staff, running the military, keeping up our national parks, NASA, education, that sort of thing

The number is certainly in the billions or close to it, since wealthy people have put in very large chunks of their money for a chance to win, or in support of a candidate who has a chance to win.

I’m not sure we could say more definitively. There are perhaps some billionaires who might want to put in everything they have in the name of some pet project, like disbanding the NSA, making available all classified files, cheating and stealing everything they can get away with, etc. Since we have to deal with real individuals, I’m not aware of anyone rich and crazy enough to try that.

You’re probably right, there’s maybe only a couple I can even imagine doing that. Most people who are rich want more than anything else to stay rich. If they have to pay a hefty chunk of their worth to be president for only 4 years and work with a recalcitrant Congress, it cannot be worth it except for the craziest of people. I imagine many would be put off by having to share power with the rest of the branches of government

Can we say it goes directly to retiring the public debt and thus is truly a cash sink?

I would say look for people who would do anything to be President like Trump and Mark Cuban. Take the top 2 in net worth. Take the poorer of the two and take 90% of their net worth (10% cost in liquidating assets), subtract 2 billion so they have something to live on and there’s your number.

Why would rich people buy it though? Say we are talking about Trump. Why would he pay billions to be president? The only people who really want to be president are politicians, so it would be similar to today where people donate money to a campaign…except now it would be for the bid. I honestly don’t see anyone putting in substantially more than they do now, so I think the top bids would be similar to the top campaign war chests today…maybe a hundred million or so at most.

BTW, foreign countries have US currency, and I don’t see how you could prevent them from using it. There are ways to funnel money from a foreign country into a fund that someone could use, unless you specified that someone has to use their own money and only their own money to do this…in which case you’d be seriously limiting who could possibly bid on the presidency.

(on another note, I didn’t realize there were over 600 billionaires in the US…wow! :eek:)

Hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars. And if countries can be players in the game, maybe a trillion.

Sorry, didn’t read OP enough. OK, individuals only, Still, many billions of dollars.

I don’t think it’s worth that much except as an ego booster. Most of the super rich wouldn’t want to do it, they can buy a president, they don’t need to be one. You could buy the congress also, that could cost $500 million or more once backwoods representatives see there’s money to be made fast. But even if you own both the legislative and executive branches can’t do much that an elected president could do anyway without the will of the people, unless you just want to burn the house down.

After the first round or two, it would probably be worth almost nothing. Power would almost certainly devolve to a more legitimate authority, most likely, the Speaker of the House.

The secret is to pull a Clinton; get in with other people’s money and pocket the odd $100 million plus after serving for yourself.