[QUOTE=ivan astikov]
Let’s see if I’ve got this straight! It seems a dog’s fate very much depends on the luck of the draw . If it is born in the vast majority of places, it is treated with respect, dignity and kindness…
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You haven´t been around much, have you?
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
Whatever. I’m done ramming my head against a brick wall.
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A brick wall at least has structural integrity on its side. You’ve been ramming your head against a wall of jell-o. Dog-flavored jell-o.
And for what it´s worth, a dog wouldn´t particularly mind eating a human being, if it´s hungry enough and is given the chance.
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
What, exactly, is the dog’s “usefulness” to modern society, other than as a pet?
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Have you ever seen a ‘seeing-eye’ chicken or ‘guide-sheep’? What about a guard cow? Have you come across any hunting cows recently? I really can’t believe you asked that question.
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
Look, you can rail against people being stupid enough to believe eating dogflesh will increase your virility. But then you should at least be consistent and say people who eat oyster or eel for the same reasons are just as stupid.
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That goes without saying…the same as anyone who thinks bears, tigers and rhino’s have machismo enhancing qualities.
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
We keep coming back to the same point: You think dogs are special, yet have failed to provide any rational justification as to why everyone else should think so as well. Do you know why? Because there is no rational justification, as numerous people have pointed out again and again in this very thread.
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Are you saying there isn’t a particularly special relationship between mankind and dogs? That would seem to go against all historical records?
[QUOTE=Ale]
You haven´t been around much, have you?
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Stick a few more words in there and you might have a sentence that passes for half sensible.
[QUOTE=ivan astikov]
Are you saying there isn’t a particularly special relationship between mankind and dogs? That would seem to go against all historical records?
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Here see what dogs feel about that special relationship.
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee]
YOU are the one bringing religion into this discussion.
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No, I’m NOT!
(# 15)
[QUOTE=Švejk]
Do you think that people who are Jewish, Muslim or Hindu generally think its disrespectful of you to eat pork or beef? Would you agree with them if they did think it was disrespectful?
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[QUOTE=Ale]
Here see what dogs feel about that special relationship.
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Needs must, and that. At least they aren’t doing it to go and impress some bitches!
[QUOTE=ivan astikov]
Stick a few more words in there and you might have a sentence that passes for half sensible.
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The world at large, and dog/human interaction in particular, are a tad more nuanced than the average Lassie episode. The way you are casting generalities about what dogs are and how they are viewed shows that you have a rather limited scope on the matter, namely, your own very narrow preconceptions.
Peel your eyes from your navel and look around a little and you´ll find that things are not assumed to be just as you expect them to be everywhere.
[QUOTE=Ale]
The world at large, and dog/human interaction in particular, are a tad more nuanced than the average Lassie episode. The way you are casting generalities about what dogs are and how they are viewed shows that you have a rather limited scope on the matter, namely, your own very narrow preconceptions.
Peel your eyes from your navel and look around a little and you´ll find that things are not assumed to be just as you expect them to be everywhere.
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You’ve assumed my limited scope on the subject, now would you like to explain the nuances I am missing?
Anyone tempted to answer, please take note of his previous train wreck on this subject.
Regarding a dog’s usefulness: so you have no problem with having a dog being what is essentially an animal “slave,” that you tell who, when, where it can fuck, where and when it can shit, what and when it can eat, you probably have to keep it on a leash so it doesn’t run away, probably have to keep it fenced in or indoors so it doesn’t run away, which, if it does run away-you probably hunt it down and put its picture up on telephone poles so that it can be returned to you AND somehow think it unconditionally “loves” you even though you’d have no proof of that… and you have a problem with people eating dogs? You’re an idiot.
I hate how dogs are somehow put on a pedestal, when it’s been thousands of years of manipulation that has made them into the animals they are. And that somehow dog lovers think they are actually benefitting their dogs in some way. Guess what, the dog wants to be a fucking dog! If they didn’t, there wouldn’t be electric fences and leashes for sale. They have no more superiority than any other animal that would be used for food.
[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
I have to go to a convention meeting, so I will hold off enjoying the lambasting you are going to get for that last statement until I get back this afternoon.
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mmmm, basted lamb :: Homer Simpson-style drooling ::
Seriously, ivan, I don’t understand your reasoning. I have two dogs who are quite safe from being eaten but what do I care if someone in China is eating dog, or someone in France is eating horse?
Out of curiosity, would you have let your family starve during a siege such as at Stalingrad or would you have eaten the family pet? IMO, they weren’t savages and neither are people who grew up in cultures where dog-eating is acceptable. You can’t compare their situations to yours, different times, different cultures, you shouldn’t feel superior just because you grew up with a dog as a pet.
[QUOTE=Shawn1767]
Regarding a dog’s usefulness: so you have no problem with having a dog being what is essentially an animal “slave,” that you tell who, when, where it can fuck, where and when it can shit, what and when it can eat, you probably have to keep it on a leash so it doesn’t run away, probably have to keep it fenced in or indoors so it doesn’t run away, which, if it does run away-you probably hunt it down and put its picture up on telephone poles so that it can be returned to you AND somehow think it unconditionally “loves” you even though you’d have no proof of that… and you have a problem with people eating dogs? You’re an idiot.
I hate how dogs are somehow put on a pedestal, when it’s been thousands of years of manipulation that has made them into the animals they are. And that somehow dog lovers think they are actually benefitting their dogs in some way. Guess what, the dog wants to be a fucking dog! If they didn’t, there wouldn’t be electric fences and leashes for sale. They have no more superiority than any other animal that would be used for food.
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Listen genius, you’re not the only fucker who has had those thoughts. There is a good ethical argument against people keeping pets, but most people on the whole don’t do it for the ulterior motives you suggest; they are doing it for what seems like good reasons. Which is more than can be said for those who eat dog because they think it will be able to make them, “Fucky fucky long time!”.
[QUOTE=ivan astikov]
Which is more than can be said for those who eat dog because they think it will be able to make them, “Fucky fucky long time!”.
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When you say things like that, be sure to pull the corners of your eyes upward and make like you’ve got big buck teeth. That will get your message across even more effectively. ETA: And we can all be crystal clear on what your real beef is here.
[QUOTE=HongKongFooey]
Out of curiosity, would you have let your family starve during a siege such as at Stalingrad or would you have eaten the family pet? IMO, they weren’t savages and neither are people who grew up in cultures where dog-eating is acceptable. You can’t compare their situations to yours, different times, different cultures, you shouldn’t feel superior just because you grew up with a dog as a pet.
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People can eat what they want if it means the difference between life and death, and under certain circumstances, I’m sure I’d do the same. But all cultures seem to have had proscribed flesh of some sort, and if any animal other than primates should be on that list, then I can’t think of a better candidate - on land - than a dog.
[QUOTE=Koxinga]
When you say things like that, be sure to pull the corners of your eyes upward and make like you’ve got big buck teeth. That will get your message across even more effectively.
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I was doing that…how did you know???
p.s. And if you are hinting I was having a go at ignorant oriental males, you were bang-on!
I’ve met racist shitheads before.
ETA: Ah. “Oriental”. Good one.
[QUOTE=Koxinga]
I’ve met racist shitheads before.
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There’s not a drop of racist blood in my body. I’m just targeting the typical dog eater. If you know of any closer to home, let me know and I’ll add them to my list.
I dunno, ivan. I do believe we’ve had a couple of orientals participate in this thread, or husbands of orientals. What do you guys think?