Well, as long as the adult talker is saying it then we shouldn’t question it, correct? But ‘who cares’ or it is ‘boring’. The adult has spoken and we should merrily skip along trusting that he has a solution rather than deal with reality and fix the issues as they currently are.
We don’t have port capacity. So? Fix it. Any real plans from his central planning office for that? No, then it will take decades BEFORE we can start diversifying in any meaningful manner. That’s reality. ‘Who cares’ if you don’t like it.
Okay, then what? Well how about putting on the big boy pants and make a fucking deal like was promised before we are left with nothing. Get some experience on Trump ball handling before CUSMA is scrapped. Because if you think he won’t tear it up or put it on continuous review then you don’t believe your own statements on how erratic he is.
There’s no benefit for Canada to agree to precedent setting concessions with Trump that will have serious effects long after he is gone. Let Trump rip up whatever he wants, if worse comes to worst, Canadians will wait him out while America smolders.
The only thing to hurt us, would be if Americans keep loving Trump’s fascism and giving him (or similar filth) unprecedented legal carte blanche. I don’t think we could survive a 10, 15, or a 20 year Fascist America streak. But Trump? We can outlast his temper tantrums.
No, we should not create a magical straw man. We should recognize that the adults in the room ARE fixing things and it will take a lot of hard work, time and sacrifice. It’s fairly typical of the opposition to scream that problems are not being fixed fast enough. Carney has not been PM for a year yet, so I don’t think he can magically create more port capacity.
It’s easy to snipe from the sidelines that “Canada is Broken”, and Things are Terrible" and “It’s Not Being Fixed Fast Enough.” Harder to actually get down and work on solutions that actually take time to implement, because nobody has a magic wand.
And it has been said many times - you can’t make a deal with Trump. He’s a fucking lunatic who thinks that trade is one-way street with winners and losers.
Yeah, that is pretty much their job. I’ll remind you of it if the opposition actually forms a government again. I’m pretty sure you’ll forget you said this now.
Yeah, I can’t blame him for that. It will take decades to fix the last governments clown show fuck ups and lack of planning. Glad we’re on the same page here.
Actually, Carney does have a magic wand. He can get rid of the regulations that block projects from being built. Then he can sit back letting smarter and entrepreneurial people of Canada do their thing. It is the sign of any good boss to allow others to get to work and then praise and reward them for doing so. e.g lowering taxes and permits and all the other drags on the economy. That’s what an adult actually does.
No, YOU can’t make a deal with Trump. Nor can the ‘Elbows Up’ crowd who’d rather let people starve in Canada than find out what the Americans actually want and work with it. Its not like they’re hiding their intentions. But it would take hard work, time, sacrifice, and the ability to shut up with opinions on how unfair it all is with having to deal with someone you don’t like.
Why would anyone line up to strike a deal with the same guy who didn’t stick to the last deal you negotiated with him? Pfft! Only a fool.
Our Pm is not name calling, like a child in a schoolyard. PP can’t seem to understand it’s extremely off putting to adults. The hatefulness is just page one from the Trump handbook. Canadians ALL recognize it. Worse still, he just can’t stop himself. It cost him his seat. And now several PC’s have, or are considering, crossing the floor. And he is STILL singing the same song!
PP is the buffoon in the schoolyard raging and name calling. While Carney proves he’s the adult in the room. In EVERY room he’s in.
Truth is, the rest of the world is proud and envious that Canadians had the wisdom to select a steady and experienced economist, over a politician at such a crucial moment for the world.
Nobody can make a deal with a demented idiot in the whitehouse. Least of all Poilievre, who does not seem to have much plan at all, other than “Canada is Broken” It’s not that we “don’t like” Trump. It’s that he’s an untrustworthy moron who does not uphold any deals he makes. No he’s not hiding his intentions - he wants to destroy Canada economically, and make it the 51st state. He’s said this explicitly. And some in Canada (looking at you, Alberta separatists) want to make this come true.
Yes, that’s right, the Liberals WANT to let people starve in Canada. They’re just that evil. I thought you were clutching your pearls not so long ago about “demonizing” the opposition. I guess if you’re doing it, it’s ok.
Maybe listen rather than interpret? Did I ever say you had to like Trump? Never. Do I like Trump? Not in the least. What does liking someone have to do with making a deal with them?
And it wasn’t until beta male, Trudeau, went to him on bended knee that he got it into his head to troll Canada. Liberals broke it, now fix it!
Funny thing how Smith can go to the US and keep tariffs low on Oil and Gas.
Probably by convincing him that oil and gas are assets for the US and Alberta isn’t going to be hostile or “moralizing”.
No, Canada wants this to come true. The settling for mediocracy makes it come true.
This kind of thing is where you destroy all your credibility. I’ll wait until you’ve won three consecutive terms in Parliament before you have any right to name calling.
This is an absolutely hilarious exchange. EP says it’s completely irrelevant whether they like or dislike Trump, he’s an irrational, impulsive moron who cannot be trusted to honor any agreement. You trim all that out and pivot back to the accusation that the dislike of Trump is what’s standing in the way of a deal. I don’t know if you’re consciously arguing in bad faith or if you’re so single-minded in your perception of the political situation that you can’t see it any other way, but either way, the exchange above illuminates pretty clearly why this thread has gone around in circles.
I make the point that Smith has kept tariffs low on products she wants to keep them low on. Carney hasn’t made any deal at all while claiming he is the one capable of protecting Canada. What are the tariffs on steel and aluminum now? According to Carney that steel isn’t important anymore, so it isn’t important to him to fix it. Smith apparently thinks Oil and Gas is important, so did something about it.
Something, other than Trump being ‘unable to make a deal with’ is causing Carney and team from making a deal. It is hate and ideology because others have been able to do so. Yeah, 10% tariffs suck. 50% tariffs suck more. So, some deals are better than no deals.
The thread is “How’s Carney doing, Canada”. Not “Carney fan boys, Canada”. You’re posting as if the latter. Self reflection is a good thing. I’ve at least agreed that he’s done a few good things and that he isn’t a moron like the previous turd. I just expect more. You seem to accept less and then sluff off his inability to get something done by saying no one can, let alone Pierre. Yet Smith managed something and she wasn’t elected to do that.
I guess you could say he was successful in negotiating with Alberta with the MOU. Proving I guess that when the party you’re negotiating with has no other recourse you can make a deal.
Oh for fuck’s sake, tariffs on oil and gas are not low because of anything Smith has done. They’re low because putting tariffs on energy is even dumber than putting tariffs other things, and against all odds there are limits to how dumb the Trump administration is about trade.
That’s not what I said at all. I said that the lack of tariffs on oil and gas are because even Trump doesn’t want tariffs on oil and gas. It has nothing whatsoever to do with anything anyone in Canada has done.
It was what was implied ignoring/denying that Smith went and lobbied her case for Alberta. Ford on the other hand did the opposite, ranting like people in this thread, and wound up with even higher tariffs.
Seems to indicate some kind of connection related to how people behave and the outcomes they get.
Both of you are probably intending a general “you” in these two statements, but considering the hard feelings and words in the thread so far, it’s also very plausible to see it as getting personal with the accusations. Let’s avoid what looks like personal attacks. Or if it’s intended to be seen that way, time to take it to the Pit. No more of this.
That’s ridiculous. The Americans have never even proposed tariffs on energy, be it oil & gas or electricity. Even Ford’s blustering didn’t result in tariffs on energy from Ontario (unsurprisingly, since his bluster was about imposing an export tax on said electricity).
Smith averted tariffs on Alberta oil & gas in the same way that I’ve averted tiger attacks on my neighbour’s backyard.
“Never proposed” isn’t the same as “never at risk.” Under Trump, tariffs were added, changed, or imposed later as he felt the need (or impulse) to do so. Energy staying out of that escalation demonstrates the benefit working with trading partners rather than fighting with them. I’m sure if Smith pulled the Ford stunt with that Ad, we’d see tariffs raised on oil and gas.
Look, if people are going with the argument that Carney is working quietly and competently behind the scenes, with no evidence of that occurring while tariffs are increasing, then I can rightly say, with actual evidence of minimal tariffs on oil and gas, that Smith had an actual affect. It certainly wasn’t Carney as we’d have seen them balloon given his effectiveness (or more likely lack of effort).
It also demonstrates that deals can be made if they can be phrased in a way that aligns with US’s interest. If you claim Trump is irrational, then he’d put tariffs on Oil and Gas. If he has some rationality such that he knows what is in his best interest, then he can be dealt with, which Smith did. If you can’t demonstrate that removing tariffs is beneficial to him, then you either have not approached it properly or it really isn’t beneficial for him. If the former, get better negotiators, if the latter, bend over because when the democrats get in as it won’t get much better.
Nope, still ridiculous. Just because Trump is delusional with regards to tariffs generally doesn’t mean that he ever wanted to put tariffs on oil & gas. Given his complete lack of filter, if he’d had any inclination whatsoever to do so, we would have heard about it. Claiming that Smith has anything to do with this has no more evidence than my tiger-repellant abilities. No tigers have ever attacked anyone in my neighbourhood. Bow before my amazing deterrence of tigers.
It’s also the case that Trump’s tariffs generally are mostly hurting Canada somewhat more than the US. Not true in every last instance, but generally, because while the economic drag they impose is approximately similar in dollar value on both sides of the border, that makes for a larger drag relative to the total economy in Canada. But tariffs on oil & gas or electricity would hurt the US more than Canada. As irrational as Trump is with regards to trade, I suspect he does somehow grasp that jacking up energy prices in the US would be a bad thing.
This is just completely failing to understand Trump. He has a decades-long history of believing that trade deficits are a bad thing, that they mean that the nation with the trade deficit is losing to the country with the trade surplus. He doesn’t understand that trade is not a zero-sum game. He is absolutely convinced that if someone is winning at trade, the other party must be losing. He cannot fathom whatsoever that both parties might be coming out ahead.
Trump can and does simultaneously believe that buying energy as cheaply as possible from Canada is good, while buying other products cheaply from Canada means Canadians are hurting US competitors. This isn’t about “approaching it properly.” There’s literally nothing you can say to him to shake his fallacious beliefs about trade. He’s believed them for decades. He’s been wrong about them for decades. He’s never going to change his mind about this.