Some rows need actual ending. Not sweeping under the carpet.
Why do you think all this shit is still around in 2021? Rolling over and “getting along”. Giving racists the cover of deniability and respectability. “I was only joking. You know how those Wokists take everything the wrong way.”
Fuck. That. Noise.
Funny, you should use a goofy pit meme to denigrate a poster while doing whatever it is you do in ATMB.
What’s denigrating about saying “well done, you!”? I feel on those occasions you make a point, it should be acknowledged in some fashion. My only regret is that the smileys aren’t able to be customized like the thumbs up.
Possibly. But drawing the attention of others at the party to what’s going on will (if they’re halfway decent people) reduce it; while letting him remain there unchallenged is likely to increase it.
If so, calling him “Juicy” is nasty. Granted, Smollett from what I’ve read on the subject is a nasty character; but calling him out of his name – in a thread that started off with a case about the possibility that calling somebody out of their name might be racist – does not seem to me to be called for.
I’d be making a row over the Nazism, not over the apology. And it would still be the Nazi who was the asshole.
Well shoot. My apologies.
There is also a whole lot of political disutility in making such accusations, which is generally the more salient outcome.
Racists and anti-antiracist snowflakes tend to imagine accusations of racism as being harmful only to the accused and invariably beneficial to the accuser. This is in line with their preferred narrative of well-intentioned non-racist white people being the “real victims” in such situations.
In real life, though, people who make such accusations are widely reflexively disparaged as “difficult” or “angry Black person” or “hypersensitive” or “troublemaker” and so on. White people still get a whole lot of benefit of the doubt when they’re accused of racism. Which is a major reason why so many racist microaggressions and even more blatant instances of racism are allowed to pass unchallenged, because their victims don’t want to risk the additional negative consequences of speaking out.
De rien.
I think there’s a difference between “demanding an apology is a strategic error” and “demanding an apology is being an asshole.”
Take it up with Chapelle, he was the one with the “Justice gor Juicy” stand-up back when the case was fresh.
I haven’t watched Chapelle. I have the vague impression that he’s also nasty.
I’m fine with being nasty towards those who use accusations as a weapon.
In the scenario under discussion I would say it is both.
~Max
If you aren’t ruining the entire party to demand an apology, then you aren’t automatically an asshole. Even if you are ruining the entire party to demand an apology, that only makes you an asshole, not the asshole.
~Max
The presence of a Nazi ruins the whole party.
According to the hypothetical, that is false. The Nazi was chasing you (or me) around, and the party was still going on.
~Max
That’s a bug, not a feature.
And that’s part of what I’d be making the fuss about.
I’ve lost you.
ETA: Come to think of it, in my opinion #1 doesn’t hold unless everybody at the party saw the saluting.
~Max
If you think a party’s not ruined by having Nazis harassing people at it, I don’t know what to say.
Why do you keep conflating these two things? Also, the thread is about what a person accused of racism should do, not what the accuser should do. It’s one thing to discuss what the accuser is entitled to, but you’re muddying the waters by introducing alternative reasons why they shouldn’t pursue what they may be entitled to.
I wonder how you square that with your consistently hyperbolic accusations against the left, accusations that are absolutely in line with the Fox News/Magahead discourse that seeks to marginalize the left even as it endangers its members.