Hierarchy of death is an apt phrase and lives destroyed in Syria or Yemen are not worth less than lives destroyed in Ukraine. But since the invasion of Ukraine I have actually thought about the possibility of a real nuclear exchange. So this one matters more to me.
Maybe, but your example proved their point anyway. What were you thinking?
By the thing I am saying about agreement is whether a white person being beaten or killed by police is ok.
Is there anyone arguing that Daniel shaver’s death was ok or justified?
Because there are certainly outlets that try to claim or imply George Floyd’s death was justified.
Why is that relevant to the thread? People will debate individual cases all of the time, white or black. How is the fact that there are differences in Shaver v. Floyd’s deaths support what you are saying?
Because what i was arguing against was the logic some were suggesting, that because police brutality against blacks might be getting more coverage right now that it necessarily means society cares more about black injustice.
This is not necessarily the case though. The news is always relative to the knowledge and understanding of the audience, and this kind of violence against blacks is something that has been ignored for decades, and is *still* being denied.
I guess my confusion is because of the OP’s complaint/allegation that if a pretty young white girl disappears, there is a media sensation, but if a black girl disappears, then nobody cares, and the media gives the public what it wants.
You seem to suggest an opposite situation, whereby police violence against blacks is ignored by the public, yet it still gets outsized coverage in the media despite what the public wants.
One of those has to be incorrect.
I don’t think anyone raised the concept of “justified” until you did just now.
I have no doubt that we can find people that will argue pretty much any police killing was “justified” in one way or another.
That’s got very little to do with the current “hierarchy of death” in the media that raises the deaths of black people to a higher level of newsworthyness than the equivalent deaths of white people.
You yourself seemed doubtfull that any white police deaths even were equivalent and you still seem bought in to the calculus that the media is making.
How so? They asked for an example of a police killing of a white man as egregious as George Floyd or Philando Castille. I provided one. (Not that these things can be quantified, but Shaver’s killing was horrific and his murderer got away with it, in part thanks to the authorities hiding evidence from the jury.)
No one “hid” any evidence. It is quite common in murder trials that the defense will move to exclude evidence, and the Judge will rule on it. This is part of the justice system.
The cop was fired, he was arrested and arraigned and Tried. The jury thought there was reasonable doubt. That is how justice works. There wasn’t any doubt the cop shot him.
A lot of the body camera footage, including the bits that showed Shaver pleading as he tried to follow contradictory commands, was only released after the trial.
Yes, because the judge excluded it during the trial, due to a defense motion. Perfectly cromulent and common.
This is ridiculous, but I’m not going to waste a nice Sunday afternoon arguing about it on the internet.
I have watched a lot of media. It is obvious that today’s atrocity must be worse than yesterday’s atrocity to be considered an atrocity.
Fully agree with this. Let Capitalism work it out. Like how China silenced Richard Gere for speaking out for Tibet; essentially ending his movie career. Or how China has stopped Hollywood from having Asian guys in the role of movie villains, or how China made the NBA apologize publicly.
If you go back through the history, you’ll note that I was not the one that brought up the topic of police brutality against blacks getting disproportionate coverage.
The point was being made that this is just like giving more time to white girls going missing than other demographics, and I was disagreeing with that point: no, they are not the same. One is only caring about one demographic and the other is society coming to grips with something for the first time.
Do you know anyone that believed shaver’s death was justified?
As I say, on right wing forums there are people that make the claim that white lives don’t matter or whatever.
But I haven’t come across any examples of anyone claiming Daniel shaver’s death was appropriate or justified (apart from the judge).
Meanwhile those same people will try any and all excuses to handwave brutality against blacks. For example they go on rants about Floyd was “drugged up”.
I was the one that was saying “not as egregious” but I’ll retract it now as I think it’s a distraction here.
But Ftr I was not handwaving shaver’s death, just saying his death was like level 9 outrageous versus Castile, George, Taylor etc being level 10.
But sure, all are terrible and it’s not worth us arguing over that point.
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What I meant by this is many people make the claim that the alleged fact that police brutality of whites might get less coverage is evidence of the media and some of society caring less about white lives.
But, while the skew may well be there, I don’t believe it’s evidence of that, for the reasons given.
this is the confusion that has already been mentioned.
When there is skew of less/more coverage for a particualr ethnicity, is it an example of the media or society caring less/more about that ethnicity or not?
You seem to want it both ways.
a “distraction”? or do you now accept you were ignorant of such cases?
you are apply your own hierarchy of death then
I think all are terrible and are worthy of equal coverage, what about you?