Oh, we accept the results of the election. We just want to be absolutely certain of what the results are.
I consider “Breitbart is stupid” to be a significantly more plausible line of attack (and one I’m not interested in contesting) than “Breitbart is racist”.
What undermines Democracy is blindly accepting results without question. Recounts and audits are part of the system. That’s why we have laws governing them. Elizabeth Warren was incorrect on this. You apparently agree with her. I don’t.
I wish she wouldn’t use terms like “big boy pants” as it reduces her arguments almost to the same level as people who use terms like “libtards”.
That said, there is some context to be considered. What Democrats were responding to was Trump’s implications that millions of illegals were going to engage in in-person voter fraud, something which is next to impossible. I just wish that they had responded in a different manner.
I almost wonder if they fell into a trap. If I was planning to rig an election, I would find it very useful if I could goad my opponents into loudly denouncing the possibility ahead of time. I had this very concern ahead of the elections.
In a state as big as Wisconsin, it’s almost inevitable that this happened multiple times. Either the voter forgot that they sent in an absentee ballot and show up to vote, or perhaps they’ve moved and an absentee ballot went to their old address, which some enterprising junior political activist (illegally) decided to fill out and send in, etc. I’m confident that none of it happened on the scale that would be needed to swing the election to Trump.
Maybe in New Hampshire …
The only potential voter fraud I have personally seen was when my nearly debilitated uncle declared that he wasn’t going to vote and my bedridden aunt ordered me to bring her his absentee ballot so she could vote for him. I helped her fill out and send in her own and made sure that his got shredded.
But as righteous as she sounded about it, I can imagine more than a few spouses ‘helping’ the debilitated vote.
Do you believe your fervent wish to be absolutely certain will be more effective than the failed temper tantrums, rioting and sending death threats to electors ?
I think Hillary Clinton has said it best:
Make no mistake, by not accepting the results of the elections, these people are threatening our democracy. We know in our country the difference between leadership and dictatorship. The peaceful transition of power is one of the things that sets us apart.
It is time for Democrats to stop tearing the country apart and threaten our democracy and fully support the President Elect.
So you think that legal audits and recounts (i.e. the proper functioning of the system) are equivalent to the idiotic actions you linked to? Did you have any civics classes in school?
I think we must insist on a legal recount and audit in states like Maine, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, Vermont, etc. The votes in any state that Hillary Clinton won, must be recounted. That’s the only fair approach here.
PS. Thankfully, I managed to avoid taking any civics classes in school in order to concentrate on STEM classes. Why do you ask?
I suppose the Obama administration is full of “stupid Americans.”
Well, yes, but that’s besides the point. The election wasn’t hacked. Pretending otherwise is just a fund-raising scheme for the Green Party. Frankly, I don’t mind if HRC supporters want to throw their money away by supporting the Green Party. Have at it.
Then you can try to raise support and funds for recounts in those states. As to the question about taking civics classes, I asked because you show no evidence of having done so.
I find it disturbing that you seem to consider that lack of knowledge to be a badge of honor.
As for STEM; I’m a BIG supporter of it. I took classes on science, I have a BS in computer science, and I regularly read things like Scientific American and New Scientist. It is possible to be knowledgeable in STEM subjects as well as government and the constitution. You can learn both.
Admittedly, my knowledge is not all that, but I do know, for example, that a winner of Presidential Elections is based on the number of Electoral College votes, not on the popular vote and insisting that
shows a complete lack of even basic awareness of how our elections work.
Yet, you chose to ask me, a person who at least has a basic understanding of how the Elections work, whether I took civics classes, and not the person who showed a complete lack of understanding of thereof.
Why is that?
It’s nice to meet a fellow CSer!! Do you work in the field?
I’ve graduated in 2001, been doing Java/Perl ever since.
public class SaltyTears {
public static void main(String args[]) {
Hillary patheticHillary = new Hillary(true);
Donald donaldTheWinner = new Donald(true);
while (patheticHillary.isLoser() && donaldTheWinner.isWinner())
System.out.println("Accept the defeat, you loser");
}
}
class Hillary{
final boolean isLoser;
public Hillary(boolean isLoser) {
this.isLoser = isLoser;
}
protected boolean isLoser(){
return isLoser;
}
}
class Donald{
final boolean isWinner;
public Donald(boolean isWinner) {
this.isWinner = isWinner;
}
protected boolean isWinner(){
return isWinner;
}
}
It doesn’t make a lot of sense to use a statement made by elucidator to dispute things that I said. I am very much aware of how the electoral college works. As is elucidator I’m sure.
Aha! So to what do you attribute elucidator’s insistence that the winner of the elections according to the rules of the said elections
?
Do you think it’s potentially the absence of the STEM classes in elucidator’s education and subsequent lack of knowledge of basic boolean logic is to blame here?
I’m not pursuing this silliness with you in this thread. It’s totally off subject.
Apologies if expanding on the topic of the civics education (proposed by you, if I’m not mistaken) has triggered you.
Whether posters in this thread have taken classes in civics or STEM fields is an unnecessary hijack to this thread. Please stick to the topic itself.
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Should I take this to mean that you think that my wish will be unsuccessful? My wish to be certain? In other words, you think that it’s impossible to be sure about the election results.
Not a position I expected you to be taking, but hey.
Exactly! Seems like only yesterday that Hillary and the anti-Trumpists were shrieking to the heavens about how traitorous and damaging to the very fabric of democracy and the United States itself it would be were Trump outrageously to contest the results of the election. One would have thought he was seeking to tear up the constitution itself and declare himself king, and now look how the worm has turned! But at least Hillary isn’t having to renege on claims of moving to Canada like so many of her likewise hypocritical compatriots.