No, I’m the arbitrator of my own body. And another person’s right to my body does not trump my right of control over my own body. Even if their exercise of that right is what is necessary to keep them alive.
Why can’t they be both, like the preborn Earl Warren?
Sez you.
What? You read this, and reply to it, but don’t comment on the debunking of it?
Don’t tell me Lynn Bodoni would ignore facts in favor of bullshit when the bullshit favors abortion!! ::cough cough Gardasil cough cough::
True. But the danger can’t be speculative.
It amazes me that the human race has survived this long. A sentient alien reading this thread would be forgiven for assuming that human women are keeling over in the streets right and left as the dread dangerous disease of “pregnancy” fells them like swathes of wheat from a scythe.
This seems to trivialize the real risk that pregnancy carries. Do you have any sympathy for a newly pregnant woman who does not want to increase her risk of death, even by what you deem a small amount?
Oh? There’s a trespasser in your home holding a shining object that might be a knife. Can you speculatively respond or must you wait until you know it’s a knife?
Possibly the same alien would note that humanity is no immediate danger of extinction, even if the reproductive process often ends in voluntary or involuntary termination. In fact, were it possible to ensure all pregnancies are completed to birth, the alien might note we’d soon have an overpopulation problem.
Oh Lynn, really? :dubious:
The Gardasil is a good thing. The vaccine works and reduces the risk of cancer. Who gives a fuck if someone makes a profit on it? It’s one of the few good things Perry has done.
He’s such a smug asshole I can only deal with him in very tiny doses.
Until fairly recently childbirth was a very risky proposition for women. I don’t have a cite offhand but I’ve seen cites as high as one in twenty women dead from childbirth historically. They would die back then primarily from childbed fever. It was transmitted via unsanitary delivery practices that were pretty much standard practice. Today we get unnecessary C-sections that also threaten a woman’s health and well being.
It’s vile that someone who tells us life is so sacred he must impose his religious beliefs on half the human race to save it . . . can then turn around and dismiss the seven hundred or so women in America who die each year from being pregnant so flippantly. Or ignore the fact that thousands of American women each year almost die from pregnancy.
The human way of giving birth is quite dangerous. Until we evolve a better way or figure out how make it medically safer, a woman is fully justified in deciding to simply wash her hands of the whole matter.
First I’d have to know how you got to your house from the pond where the stranger was drowning so quickly. What was that, teleporting?
“What I deem?”
In today’s society, replete with healthcare provided by the government, what are the actual numbers? What kind of risk is faced by the average pregnant woman?
Trivialize? I argue that as a general principle, the risk IS mathematically trivial, especially when compared to the fact that avoiding that trivial risk is done by ending a human life.
Well yes because it is right there in the definition, a person is a human being with a functioning brain.
P1: A human being without a functioning brain is not a person.
P2: A fetus does not have a functioning brain
C: A fetus is not a person.
OK, you’ve convinced me. Historically we should have allowed abortions.
But that has no relevance for today’s practice in the United States, does it?
No, the human way of giving birth is NOT particularly dangerous. 700 women die each year, out of a population of 150,000,000 women. Seriously? That’s “quite dangerous” to you? 25,000 people died last year in motor vehicle accidents. Roughly 4,000 people drowned last year. Swimming and driving are more dangerous!
I’m sorry, but what book gave you that definition? Where did P1 come from? The Big Book of Martu?
And if you were proposing using the force of law to mandate people swim or drive I would oppose that as well.
Pregnancy increases the danger of morbidity/mortality regardless of how small and I don’t believe, as a rule, that the government should be able to force you to take an action that increases your chance of death or injury.
In case you missed it the first time I posed it:
You’re not pro-life. You’re anti-abortion and you can fuck off. You trivialize and dismiss the very real risks women face when they become pregnant. Pregnancy will end the lives of hundreds of women in America alone. Probably thousands worldwide. As the article points out, it also involves huge health risks for hundreds of thousands of women each year.
No woman should be forced to take such risks because the birth control failed or your religious and moral beliefs that they do not share.
You’re the one arguing that all life is sacred. I guess you mean some lives are more sacred then others, huh?
:rolleyes:
Over fifty thousand women facing serious complications as a result of pregnancy each year isn’t a danger to you?
Stay away from women, Bricker, as you clearly think dead and seriously injured ones don’t matter as much as a goddamned fucking fertilized egg.
Well, then I simply disagree. The government had drafted roughly 11 million men by the end of World War II. Was that somehow an illegal exercise of government power?
No, I mean that all human life is sacred.
In what way does my comment suggest otherwise?
Over 25,000 people killed in cars each year isn’t a danger to you?
I assume it is, but I also assume that you weigh the value of automotive transport against the deaths and reach the conclusion that we should NOT ban cars. Is that right?
I think dead people matter just as much as dead people. I am unwilling to favor one human life over another.
I gather that was too difficult a question for you to answer in any manner other than flippantly.
And people have a choice not to ride in cars. Why shouldn’t people have a choice to end their pregnancies?
By an earlier statement you seem to value the life of a pregnant woman over a fetus, by at least 10 to 1.