Don’t worry, I’ll tell you who won.
It’s a deal.
Still an hour to go, but the winner is Hillary.
No need to thank me.
I’m following that thread. Just reading about it is nerve-wracking. It takes a strong person to watch it.
(…whimper!..snivel!..)
I want my banky…
I see it as a tie. Which is very bad news for Hillary. She’s the master politician. Supposedly she’d blow the novice Trump off the stage. Her knowledge of policy and the details of her platform would dazzle everyone That didn’t happen.
Trump is still standing. I don’t think he gained any voters and he certainly didn’t lose any of his supporters to Hillary.
Hillary has to knock Trump out. Show everyone that the emperor has no clothes. That he’s a windbag. If she can’t do that… This race could go either way.
Hillary has two more chances? 2 more debates to thoroughly discredit Trump.
I see it as most definitely NOT a tie. She wiped the floor with him. Actually, she didn’t have to. He wiped the floor all by himself.
I couldn’t bear to watch more than a few minutes of the two awful candidates. Anyway - If this were football, was it Hillary 31, Trump 24?
Well, how many points does she get for drop-kicking him through the goal posts?
The first two indicate a clear win for Hillary. We will have to wait for the third but I expect polls will move 2-3 points in her direction over the next week.
Well, she won behind the podium (“(Not paying taxes) shows that I’m smart”? Really?), but he clearly towered over her…in the opening handshake. Don’t laugh; Saturday Night Live joked about something similar in the Bush-Dukakis debates in 1988.
You’re the first person I’ve seen who thought that they tied. I’ve seen some Trump supporters saying that he won, but also a lot saying he lost, sometimes because they think he was set-up or that Clinton got the questions ahead of time. Rudy Giuliani was saying that Trump didn’t do his best but that he has the next two debates to prove himself. Even Republican political consultant Frank Luntz and his focus group said that Clinton clearly won.
I think she performed perfectly by not trying to knock him out and instead just let him ramble on. He kept interrupting her and increasing in volume, if she had interrupted him and correct more of his lies then a lot of people would be talking about her sounding shrill and angry even if what she was saying was completely correct.
Trump certainly didn’t lose any die-hard supporters, but I’m guessing that there are some more wishy-washy supporters who had been supporting Bush or Rubio or someone else who will be thinking twice about voting for Trump. But I look forward to seeing how this changes the polls. I’m guessing that there will be at least some improvement for Clinton, though I don’t know by how much.
So many people were saying Trump would totally melt down in a debate with Hillary.
My expectations were high that Trump would lose any credibility he has. He was the guy that defended his manhood size in a Rep debate with Marco.
Trump may have hurt himself more than I realized. The next set of polls will be very interesting.
Hillary certainly represented herself well. No knock out like I had hoped. But she made no major mistakes either.
Here’s another way to decide:
Which was larger:
The percentage of people who voted in a Fox News poll for Clinton
or
The percentage of people who voted in a (whatever the consensus is for “the liberal channel”) poll for Trump?
Meanwhile, from what I have been hearing (okay, mainly from Fox News), Clinton won the debate according to “the pundits” but Trump won according to “the polls” - IIRC, this means that Trump won the debate according to the Feel The Berners method (or, at least, the ones that posted to Facebook).
Yes, I understand that Fox News’s exhaustive review of poll results on their own website, Drudge and Breitbart show Trump as the clear winner.
Are there polls of undecideds out there to look at? I think that would tell us best.
I think that’s what happened.
Most objective observers give Hillary a decisive win. The bar was set high for her, and she cleared it. The bar was set low for Trump, and he wriggled under it (maybe he thought it was limbo?)
The proof will be in the pudding when the polls begin to reflect post-debate samples. I’m looking for a few point swing to Hillary, perhaps as much as 5 points.
It’s a simple thing. If the polls, both national and key states, go up for Clinton over the next week, if in particular those who are for her are now more sure they are for her, a few undecideds are more likely to say her, and among those who are for Trump there are a few more who are less sure they are going to vote, then she won.
If all of those who have been saying Trump still say that they are still voting for him and there is no meaningful shift in undecideds and third parties to Clinton, then she did not win the debate, no matter what the instant polls, the pundits, and our own eyes and ears told us…
Damn ! Then I guess this made me really old too b/c I remeber that Queen for Today too ! My mom would watch it.
We oldsters need to stick together!