/Dr. Evil voiceover “Riiiiggggghhhhhtttt…”
/end Dr. Evil voiceover, queue skeptical eyebrow raise and put pinky to lips
Of course it does. There is no logical reason to build the pyramids in steps other than some basic need. It is most probable, bordering on certainty, that this need is related to construction. Since most of the processes related to construction are well understood and none suggest the need to construct it in steps the most logical explanation is that these steps are necessary to lifting the stones. Even if ramps weren’t already debunked (post #153) the presense of steps is not consistent with ramps. It is consistent with a natural limitation in how high they could lift stones at a time. Maybe the 100’ lateral lenght of the side merely reflects their inability to make rope longer than 100’ or maybe the levitation rays worked only 80+’ at a time. But these are literally intermediate steps to the process of building great pyramids.
What do you think the steps might have been for? Other explanations are, I believe, all excluded by nature, logic, or the physical evidence. This is how reverse engineering works; everything is excluded by the evidence untilonly a single probability remains. This is how the PT were solved. Every word definition was excluded that didn’t make sense until a meaning that did make sense became apparent.
Well, let’s not forget the 100,000 ton water collection device that lies under the pyramid, the proof it was used, and the other logic and physical evidence that ties everything together.
To let the pyramid get narrower with each higher layer? Just spitballing here. 
We’d all love to see some of that physical evidence. Not more fanciful translations of ancient mumbo-jumbo, for a change, please.
The dead pharaohs didn’t need much of anything else they were entombed with, either. If, that is, you accept as given that they were really most sincerely dead, not that they were merely passing on into the next life, where they might find all that stuff handy. As the ancient Egyptians believed, you know.
So? It wouldn’t create a geyser, either.
You get a lot of that at state funerals, even today, yes.
Yep, that’s pretty absurd, all right.
I don’t want to bog down in semantics but I strongly disagree. Certainly a lot of thinking reflected in writing makes little or no sense. But the writing always reflects the thinking of the author and most people think clearly enough if you filter out some strange beliefs. If a person says “I ran from the alien death ray” one can certainly say it makes perfect sense to run from any kind of death ray and that it is a logical response. The statement says a great deal whether the premise is accepted or not.
It all looks like the ramblings of sun addled bumpkins because to a large extent it sortta was. When science collapsed people were left with confused languages and a confused “understanding” of ancient people. They knew their forebearers were wise and powerful but they didn’t understand how. They believed the “gods” made them powerful which was exactly right in a left handed sort of way. The ancients had used “natrural phenomena” to blend smoothly into nature and to communicate. They were very powerful despite their lack of modern experimental knowledge!
But you can even understand the logic of bumpkins if you know enough about i.
The ancients were no bumpkins, their progeny is. We still misapprehend them because we started with the assumption they were just as sun addled as we.
I know modern man has escaped this. It makes perfect sense to build washers that last four years because the factory in China has to be kept busy and all our garbage trucks need something to haul. Of course as products deteriorate and we run low on resources it’s only “natural” to pay the people causing it ever larger mountains of money. People used to be nuts but we’re all better now. Not only are we finally sane with the papers to prove it but we also finally know everything. The status quo is entrenched not because we’re afraid of change but that we’ve finally achieved perfection.
I don’t believe your assertions about the ancients. You’re just a guy saying “they were very powerful…”, and I’m not going to take your word for it.
We suck now. We sucked a lot more in the past. We have a lot less murder, a lot less violence, a lot less abuse of women, a lot less child-death, etc., then back then. Most people are idiots, and back then, even more of us were idiots.
It has to sound like woo. Anything that upsets and rewrites everything we think we know necessarily will sound like woo. It’s supposed to.
But the fact is the great pyramids all reverse engineer to a state that suggests they were built with CO2 geysers and Egyptologists might still be refusing to make the simple tests to determine the facts. I say “might still be refusing” because one of the tests I’ve been screaming needs to be done is to determine whether the Great Pyramid was leveled with water. This is a relatively simple test because if they used line of sight the base will be straight ie- the corners will be a little further from the center of the earth than the middles. If they used string then the corners will be even further from the center of the earth. But if they used water (as I know they did) then the corners will be at the exact same altitude (distance from center of the earth) as the middles because water conforms to its container and to gravity. The oceans form part of a sphere just as the bottoms of the great pyramids do.
It appears Egyptologists might be running these tests right now but they didn’t specifically say they are comparing the altitudes of known points at the base. You can’t see ANYTHING unless you look for it. It resquires “heka” to see “amun”.
I don’t even know what this means.
How are there 12 facets?
How do you make out that there are 8 grooves?
There are no grooves at all, there’s just the place where 2 walls meet. But even if you call it a groove, there’s only 4 of them. Where do you get 8 from?
Well, that’s just lovely, but the grooves don’t make sense of anything you have asserted.
But you’ve presented nothing that persuades me that your “woo” is different than anyone else’s. Your stuff makes sense to you, but it doesn’t make sense to other people… isn’t it possible, then, that you’re just deluding yourself? If everyone else is telling you that your ideas don’t hold water, then isn’t it possible that they’re right?
Is he claiming the thing was built in four quarters? (that would make 16 facets, not counting the base)
But you have done no engineering to arrive at this conclusion. Your whole inquiry consists of reading ancient texts and thinking about them real hard. That does not constitute “reverse engineering”.
[all useless PT interpretations cut]
You offer no evidence for it being used in the geysers, as pointed before, you need tons of the stuff. And the PT does not talk about those quantities.
As pointed before, in all your ramblings there is nothing here to reply to the points being made:
If you were correct then all of the Egyptians that followed should had made drawings, engravings, jewelery or many other examples of geysers and deluges together with PT quotes. Instead, and clearly contradicting your fancy interpretations, the ancient Egyptians used the PT in the settings they knew the PT was all about: for funerals and for what to do in the afterlife.
This is a great start. I don’t know much about the various natrons they used because I’ve never researched it. I haven’t researched it because I guess most of the reasons for using various sources. The chemical composition of these in sodium chloride, sodium bicarbonate, sodium hexa hydrate, sodium decahydrate, and sodium sulphate. This mixture lent its name to the symbol for “sodium”; NA. They’d probably want a mixture rich in sodium chloride to seed geysers and rich is sodiium bicarbonate and sodium decahydrate for mummification. You’d want low levels of salt for soap.
There’s a great deal of research that can be done by experts and I’ve only scratched the surface. It might be a while before I get to natron. The “incense from Nubia” is almost certainly myhrr. I can’t prove they actually used a mixture of musilagenous myhrr, natron, and grease to treat the water from horus’ eyebrow but this is the way it appears based on logic and what they said.
Language is a funny thing. I don’t believe their language was complex at all. It’s diffiucult for me to fully understand it because there are still many missing concepts and rules. It isn’t even translated properly. But the words still have the power to “transport you away”, to see the world through different eyes. These eyes didn’t see what they knew (believed) like our eyes but they sought the reality in a framework of human knowledge. They strove to see “amun” (reality itself) by seeing what was right before them. Rather than knowing everything and forcing their reality on what they saw, they knew nothing and tried to learn from it.
None of this is really said in the PT because the PT is just ritual. The language and thinking are what the people had to be and think to write this book of ritual. It’s not really complexity in the ancient language. In many ways it was far far simpler than modern languages. It was so simple that a Sumerian could quickly come to understand an Egyptian because everything was the same except a few pronunciations. The language was rooted in science by grammar and nature. For all practical purposes it was science itself. Our languages have tremendous range in what can be expressed but the ancient language required theory because theory lay at the heart of every sentence. Every sentence contained a scientific term that represented theory. Grammar forced it to be used properly.
I can only show how I solved the language and “interpret” its meaning because it can’t be translated. I can state categorically that it was solved in conjunction with the physical evidence. This theory, this language, can’t exist outside the physical evidence and CO2 powered water being used in construction. It is nothing except confirmation bias if this were one of the infinite number of worlds with pyramids built by ramps.
This isn’t such a world and this can be proven beyond resonable doubt. It can not only be proven but if it is we can reconstruct virtually the entire ancient language and the entire science. Not only will there be very valuable knowledge from this ancient science but there will also be human history dating all the way back 45,000 years to the first complex language speaker. The ancient world wasn’t destroyed by water but by the loss of water and far more importantly the loss of science.
I’m confident you consider this more “hand waving”. But I can duplicate everything I’ve done. I believe anyone could follow the same path of logic and see the samne evidence. There are no experiments to prove me right or wrong but by the ancient standards I believe this really is “theory” and not just another all too human individual suffering some strange confirmation bias.
Of course I can be wrong. I appear to be the only person anywhere who could be wrong about anything. We “all” know everyone else is wrong unless they agree with us.
But the facts are (literally) set in stone. The pyramid was built right on top of something with all the properties odf a water collection device and there is proof it was used as such. Everything I’m talking about is physical evidence and logic which shows it or that shows how it was found. No one has successfully shown any part of the theory is wrong. Of course this is principally because I cheat a lot and change the theory if anyone shows part is wrong. This is exactly the way ancient science worked and if you think about it it’s very much the way modern science works too. We cheat. When we find we’re wrong we amend our theories. With any luck we’re getting ever closer to understanding reality and ever more able to make predictions.
Even if Egyptologists were right that they used ramps the fact remains the physical evidence doesn’t support it at this time. That fact remains logic doesn’t support it and the word “ramp” isn’t even attested from the great pyramid building age. Seen in this light it’s ramps that are “woo” and pulling stones up one step at a time is the science. Seen in light of the presense of steps we can safely say “they mustta pulled the stones up the side”. We need proof and I’m not certain they are even looking for it.
Frankly I think all of us are “idiots”. It’s just that most people are so caught up in the day to day aspects of life or in hedonism that they never gave a thought to the nature of existence or the nature of nature.
Anyone is clever enough to pursue a line of thought and make simple deductions and those of us who do have much deeper understanding than others. Most of us study some science, religion, or philosophy or even start from scratch. …Or even some combination of these. We may relate these things to culture. I doubt there’s much difference between those of us who are “cultured” and those of us who watch the latest tripe on TV in terms of intelligence. I see highly uncultured people (and animals) make very clever connections and engage in very complicated behavior. I see geniuses do things that are idiotic.
I spend a great deal of time pouring over physical descriptions of things associated with the pyramids. One of my biggest problems is the remarkable dearth of data that has been collected since Petrie set down his yardstick. Egyptologists generally don’t care much about measuring, assessing, or testing anything.
The top ~400’ are believed to be bifurcated creating eight facets. The bottom ~60’ are believed not to be bifurcated creating four more facets. The bottom of the pyramid has an unknown shape but is quite complicated so excluded for this consideration. 12 facets and 13 if you count the water collection device on which it’s built as part of the pyramid. The 13th facet is actually spherical rather than flat. The grooves on each side are between and of the bifurcated sides and through the bottom facets. You can call it ten grooves if you prefer but there is still a groove on each of the four apparent sides.
These grooves appear to be the result of the some decision which might be related to several things from the bifurcatioin to the means stones were lifted. I don’t know but like all the visible lines they are horizontal or vertical. No specific vertical line is necessarily proof of anything but the presense of only horizontal and vertical lines says a lot about how stones were likely lifted. They exclude spiral ramps.
"Useless"in this case meaning lines that are inconsistent with interpreting them to be about mummification.
No, You wouldn’t need tons to precipitate an eruption. Once the conditions existed to support an eruption you only needed a little to trigger it.
They spoke endlessly about how to maintain an eruption but I’m sure you’d delete them as well.
Some things never go out of style.