Ramps: Every bit as likely as space aliens.
Most people don’t see this but I couldn’t agree more. This theory will shake all of science to its core. Even the nature of humanity is wrong.
This is why I consider it so vital to do the science and do it quickly to show how trhe pyramids were built. I believe we are stumbling blindly into a future that is becoming increasingly hostile to the continued existence of the human species. I believe this can open our eyes so that we can evade extinction events in the next century or two.
There seems no real chance anyone can see this reality until they first know how the pyramidfs were built so they can try to see the meaning of the ancient language. I’m trying to shame Egyptology into doing the ljob they’ve been given; applying science and human knowledge to the study of ancient Egyptians and their artefacts. Egyptologists are slumbering as the dangers mount.
Is this correct?
Individual sheep hairs are pretty short, but you can spin them into a thread of any length. Also, Google tells me that the grass grows up to 1.2mm long, which doesn’t sound too short. Finally, some legitimate sources say that it’s good for rope-making.
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esparto, also called … halfa …
It attains a height of 1 or 1.2 m (3 or 4 feet). … Esparto fibre has great strength and flexibility, and the grass has for centuries been used for making ropes, sandals, baskets, mats and other durable articles.*
Well, I’ll give you a half point for getting the second half of your sentence correct.
Grass ropes can be made to hold great weight but you’ll see the diameter increase rapidly in relation to the load as the fibers get shorter. That’s why strong ropes are made from long natural fibers like hemp or from long synthetic fibers.
In your favor though, your cite has them growing to 1.2 meters, not 1.2 millimeters. 
I was going off of this source, which described the making the rope, and mentioned that “…raising of a major obelisk would have required about forty palm fibre ropes with diameters of 18.4 cm”
“Great strength” is not precise enough a descriptor-How much weight could a bit of halfa rope the length cladking describes actually lift safely?
cladking, I’ll go along with the idea that the traditional concept of very large ramps has been debunked. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that.
For everyone else as well, the new spiral ramp theory is interesting but I still need to see some work that will show it was feasible to move millions of blocks in the time frame necessary. Such a ramp system would have limited bandwidth, it would have to remained filled with blocks ready to position from end to end of the ramp system and any problems in the feed line would create serious delays in the process. These ramps may have been made for transporting general materials and workers up and down the pyramid, and possibly for building the upper portions where far fewer blocks were needed but I need convincing that in the lower half of the pyramid they weren’t lifting blocks simultaneously from many different directions.
I think instead that the majority of the blocks that were lifted higher than the first few layers where ramps were practical were lifted using levers. Straight up vertical lifting with levers at opposite ends of the block. Hundreds of small teams could be lifting blocks this way one level at a time. I think an 8 man crew could raise blocks at a rate of 1 foot per minute this way. I don’t know of the least bit of evidence that this is the method used, but it makes more sense to me than the spiral ramps, and by orders of magnitude more sense than giant seltzer bottles.
Ideas are cheap. There are an almost infinite number of ideas out there; most of them useless or uninteresting. Progress comes when people actually do stuff; that’s where the rubber hits the road. Otherwise you’re just writing a bad fantasy novel.
Maybe not quite that likely. 
Est9imating the odds of aliens is very very difficult because it’s hard to specify the evidence that would support it.
d’oh :smack:
In the modern world all ideas are equal; they are worthless until proven accurate and most are never really tested, implemented, or seriously considered.
There is some missing key evidence such as a means to move them laterally once they are jacked higher. Perhaps a sort of trough on the side alonmg which they could be jacked up would solve most of the problems and does appear to be evidenced.
One of the many problems with spiral ramps is that they would hide the work being done making it impoossible to build straight. The pyramid is straight so spiral ramps are out for this reason and numerous others.
Great insight but I’m not so sure how accurate it is because thick ropes are usually just made of strands of thinner ropes. Short fibers would probably limit their ability to go over rollers or pulleys without damage.
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That makes two of us.
I’m not really trying to convince anyone that the pyramids were built with geysers and there used to be a metaphysical language.
I’m trying to convince people that these ideas can not be ruled out by the existing evidence and it is important we do the science to discover how the pyramids were built EVEN IF I’M WRONG. I believe it could be of critical importance!
They were moved laterally using rollers or dragging them. It’s the same way they moved stones laterally in your scheme unless you have some other seltzer powered machine which does that.
I seem to be the only person in the world who knows he’s biased sometimes. But bias doesn’t change any facts and merely changes what we can see and how wew interpret them. The science agrees with me because it’s been gone over forward and backward many times. ALL the evidence agrees even though ALL the evidence is thin and inconclusive. Even the “ramps” which are the only thing visible to Egyptologists don’t point at the pyramid ort up the pyramid as a ramp would need to do. They point where the counterweights operated because the counterweights pulled the stones and not stinky footed bumpkins as we are told.
There’s nothing complicated about the process or techniques. Any sharp fifth grader should be able to judge the feasibility of the science. Even an infant can comprehend the nature of a balance system. To the ancients balance was a concept learned early which was “maat”. “osiris tows the earth by means of maat”.
I don’t know. There is weak evidence they tarred the ropes which would be primarily to prevent sun damage which would imply they lasted at least a few weeks. I’d guess they averaged about a month but this migfht be optimistic. Used ropes could be disassembled and used in non critical applications.
I’d prefer to stay away from it as well but it continually arises. The belief is Egyptologists can’t be wrong and I can’t show how they are wrong about all four of their assumptions without talking about the difference in language. Remember Egyptologists believe the same nonsense the progeny of the builders believed. So long as Egyptologists can show later Egyptians were superstitious I have to show there is no evidence of any sort the pyramid builders were superstitious. Otherwise the battle is lost before it’s joined. It took a long time for me to surmount this hurdle and show they are wrong. Their assumption nothing ever changed is wrong and has no basis except interpretation.
Pulleys were called dm-sceptres and each system employed three of them. the things Egyptologists call “proto-pulleys” were actually couplers to make trains of three stones to pull from the quarry, probably.
Funny you ask.
The concept to them was “uniting” and they used what Egyptologists call a cartouche or bullet. This just a device to attach ropes into the system. It was used principally when things went wrong and repairs were necessary. It became the symbol for the king who united the people.
The mehet weret was the first thing built once the geyser was established and the causeway and water collection device were in place. They simply caught water and channeled it into counterweights to build this structure. Any water in excess was used to start the pyramid. The mehet weret in the iconography wears a counterweight.
They varied pyramid to pyramid. Djoser’s appears to have had two operating on the west side while G1 had two primaries, two secondaries, two on the cliff face and several auxillary. Configurations also changed during construction.
They could be moved from step to step but it would requires days of work to relocate, calibrate, and test a primary system so they were not moved often. Small systems were easily moved but still needed to make dozens of lifts to justify the effort.
Water could always be used in the port though little would be available there except during rains. There were two “lakes of the jackal” on top of the pyramid. Each of these grew smaller with altitude and they became the so called queens and kings chambers. By the time they hit 140’ of the kings chamber most of the work was already done (~65%). They became highly dependent on steady water flow since their storage ability was low. They could keep plenty of water in the water collection device but that water was too low to be of much value in lifting stone.
I don’t know. Probably not. They used manual means to lift water and only G1 used a nice air conditioned interior for lifting it.
“Horuses” were sculpted in the quarry and pulled to the pyramid by the cliff face counterweights. From here they were loaded on the dndndr boat for a trip to the top of the first step and eventually to the the working top where stones were being set in rows. They were loaded on the boat that sank the width of a stone each time one was placed on it so they could be loaded very quickly. When the counterweight was heavier it was allowed to fall lifting the stones. The boat was quickly unloaded and sent back down. Teams of men were charged with moving each individual stone to the masons who worked in small teams setting stone. Most of these lateral moves on top were done by men but they might have had access to motive power provided by sails in the boat pits. These were arrayed around the mason’s shop to make the numerous moves needed to process stones. Two on the south side helped load the dndndr.
Probably pretty fast but it had to be kept under control. As they approached the top there was less and less margin for error and the boat could do extensive damage if it got out of control. All their supplies and equipment had to be brought up with each level even when the level became small.
They’d never want it to stop half way. There were a few options though from dumping a little water to pulling it back down by hand.
They would have had many failures over the centuries. The procedure would be determined by the nature of the specific failure. Injuries would be uncommon because men would simply stay out from under loads but there were many ways to get hurt. I believe the most severe accident was a ferryman who inadvertantly allowed a counterweight to fall before getting the signal. Apparently this was a load of workers and some were hurt because he left his station. In punishment they appear to have amputed his feet. He kept his job but lost his feet. Of course this might be just a story though. Tough to say.
If this is all you want, then fine – I’m not ruling out your geyser hypothesis. I have no idea what the metaphysical language stuff is about – it reads like gobbledygook to me. But you’ve presented nothing besides unsupported assertions and unique-seeming translations, so I don’t take the geyser hypothesis as any more likely than alien involvement, and far less likely than the various practical, low-tech hypotheses that have been physically and practically demonstrated on various scales.
Oh, it might just be a story, eh? Lol. Is there a hieroglyphic workplace accident report on one of thewall?