In older Egyptological literature his name was read Anty, but the consensus leans now in favor of Nemty, ‘the wanderer’, although there remain good arguments for reading the name Anty, meaning ‘with claws’… …Nemty is depicted as a hawk, often perched on a crescent-shaped boat… …Nemty features as a ferryman in an episode of the Conflict of Horus and Seth. Seth demands that Isis be excluded from the place where the judgment between Horus and himself is to be rendered… …Isis changes her appearance, however, to that of an old woman carrying a bowl of flour which she claims she must deliver to a boy tending cattle on the island. Nemty resists, and Isis offers him at first a cake (wekhat, cp. wekhau, ‘talons’ in PT utterance 302), and then her gold signet ring, which he accepts and ferries her across… …Nemty’s punishment for ferrying Isis across is said in the Conflict to have been that the Gods “removed his toes,”…
It is indeed highly speculative that this is a confused rendition of an ancient accident report. But just as gods walking in corpse dripping might be indicative of stinky footed bumpkins foot amputations for malfeasance might be indicative of people who valued competence and attention to detail. Notice one of his names might be “the wanderer”.
I hate to tell you but this shit is nuts. And specifically, why the heck would you think “cut off his toes” is a metaphor for amputating feet? That is about the stupidest most baffling choice of a metaphor ever!
I’d put it significantly lower than aliens, and I figure the odds that aliens were involved in building the pyramids to be almost, but not quite, zero. I mean, chances are pretty good that aliens actually exist, somewhere out there. “Metaphysics?” Not so much.
So what’s “heaven”, then, if not a spiritual afterlife? Human memory?
Wait, Horus the elder is a god? You said they didn’t believe in gods. Huh?
How about a link? Again, I are very suspicious of your interpretations of anything related to this topic, and would rather see source documents.
758a. O N., the eye of Horus comes to thee, it addresses thee:
758b. “Thy soul which is among the gods comes to thee; thy might which is among the spirits comes to thee.
758c. A son has avenged his father; Horus has avenged Osiris.”
These are perfectly plausible if they are stories of gods. They are not plausible stories about natural phenomenon.
C’mon, man, they removed the brains with special tools and stored them in jars. That’s got nothing to do with how fast a body burns, and it’s not something you do on a lark for no reason.
They wrote inscriptions inside coffin lids, which makes sense if they believed the spirit of the person in the coffin would leave his body and travel to the afterlife. It doesn’t make sense if they cremated the bodies, didn’t believe in an afterlife, and just liked to toast the memories of their kings.
Paraphrasing Tim Minchin, do you know what Metaphysics is called as soon as it is realized that we can get practical results with tools and begin to work with concrete evidence?
Physics.
The nanosecond the ponderings go that way you do need to follow the path that includes modeling and proper and plausible design and architecture, flights of fancy cannot get you far. One cannot insist that there is no need for the tools that are now available for research and experimentation. You can dislike them, but you discredit yourself in front of everyone here and out there because those are the breaks.
The bottom line, so far, is that we can see 2 results so far here:
One: the ancients that controlled these magical construction devices do not bother with them anymore.
The ancient gods have bigger ancient alien fish to fry.
Or two: the metaphysical explanations are just woo woo in this case.
Either way these ideas going from geysers, to weird interpretations of ancient text are a waste of time until good evidence (not just fanciful interpretations of text) or support from related experts is found to justify attention.
I’ve said it many times in many ways; I seem to be the only one considering how it might affect my theory. Scientists blithely accept scientific doctrine as truth just as religious people know that their own religion is the only true religion. People don’t even see when they misapply what they “know”. Science progresses despite scientists and religion survives even without faith. No one can see we’re all looking at the same thing in different ways that are incompatible and only a single perspective. We all stay firmly rooted tro our beliefs even when parallel lines make ramps, ropes can’t exist, and everyone thinks alike but no one at all agrees.
I can be wrong. Despite all the evidence conspiring to suggest I’m right, I can still be wrong while Egyptoplogists with no evidence at all other than their conclusions can’t be wrong. Maybe in the real world 1 + 1 really does equal 2 and I’m just being a stickler for details. Maybe we’re supposed to see all of reality from what we imagine is already established fact and only in terms of our beliefs. People can’t be wrong even when they agree 100% if they have the “wrong” perspective.
Maybe we are locked into this reality where there are an infinite number of pyramids built with an infinite number of ramps and on the strange world where beliefs have no effect on reality there is another cladking pulling his hair out too.
Wrong as usual, Houdin and the Egyptologists that support him can be found to be wrong once the examinations that he is recommending to do are made. And so that would mean that it is more likely that what **TriPolar **has mentioned is one way to go. And still much more likely than what you have proposed so far.
So you are very wrong even with your basic idea that “scientists are just as religious people”, in reality this canard is a boiler plate standard issue say so made by pseudo scientists in many discussions.
The first heaven was the ssm.t apron on the horizon that defined the pyramid. It was the eye of horus. The second heaven and most important was 81’ 3" anbd was the height the geyser sprayed or the altitude of the upper eye of horus on the wing of geb. The top most heaven (do the math) was the apex of the pyramid where the ka and ba of the dead king met.
“God” meant “natural phenomenon” and horus the elder was phenomenon of this land somewhat like “Yellow Springs, Ohio”.
You won’t understand them anyway. It’s impossible to understand the ancient language if you deconstruct the words. It has become painfully apparent to me that people can’t read things without deconstructing and parsing the meaning. We must learn how to do this to speak as children and then it becomes ingrained. So rather than go to the effort to dig things out that just looks like gobbledty gook to readers here’s what Egyptologistts have to say and we all know they can’t be wrong about anything because Egyptology is a science.
"Hence, in the famous ‘Famine Stela’ from Sehel Island, Khnum appears to King Djoser in a dream and states, “I am Khnum, your maker! My arms are around you, to steady your body, to safeguard your limbs,”
“similarly, in the statue inscription of Djedkhonsefankh, Djedkhonsefankh praises Khnum for having “fashioned me as one effective, an adviser of excellent counsel.”
“In PT utterance 300 Khnum is said to have been the maker of a netherworld ferry-boat, strongly implying that these boats are at least in certain cases to be understood as equivalent to the bodily ‘vehicle’.”
“It is Khnum who made the seven Khnums, Builder of Builders who created what exists,”
It seems to me that if they had a god to build things and safegaurd peoples’ limbs then they cared about health and safety which is also exemplified by the fact they set bones and performed brain operations (not too much in terms of rocket science though).
This is where Egyptologists really dropped the ball. They simply went with the nonsense and interpreted it accordingly. It never even crossed their minds that Egyptians didn’t think like Egyptologists because they are locked into their own reality.
I’m not really sure it’s worth my time or your’s to explain this but I’ll try. To the ancients it required active participation of the viewer and they eye to see. The eye imparted the means by which things could be seen. A man needed to practice “heka” (proper scirentific observation) at all times to be strong and effective. In a world operated by metaphysical language (science) effective speech (proper scientific observation and understanding) is the norm. Observation is power and for the eye of the natural phenomenon of the land of rainbows the power to lift stones was emitted.
The “soul” of the king is being transmogrified into the geyser such that he can lift himself to heaven which is rooted in the spirits (the CO2) in the water. By this means the reconstructed system (after it was destroyed by water; set) can again lift the horuses (horus the younger; stone). Horus has avenged the destruction of the means to lift stones 70’ on G1 by being lifted by a new system to 81’ 3".
All the “evidence” that you have provided, so far, indicates that you don’t understand them. I suppose it gives a nice warm feeling to invent meanings and rationales to support one’s beliefs, but the fact that you persistently fail to provide any support for your claims beyond your own invented beliefs while disparaging anyone who has actually spent time studying the issues over many years, (while you persistently decline to actually quote them making these claims that you attribute to them), casts serious doubt on everything you post–even on the off chance that you actually get one or two factoids correct.
So I said something that has been said before. It doesn’t mean my motives or reasons are the same and it doesn’t mean it is some sort of tactic. It doesn’t mean I’m wrong. The fact is I can’t find a modern scientist who can even agree that in the real world one plus one doesn’t always equal two. Math is a natural logic but it can’t perfectly apply to the real world in any case because no two things are identical. This is a remarkably simple concept that eludes everyone. We all see reality in terms of models and paradigms and most of these from the simplest to the most complex are rarely considered by individuals. There is no logic in “I think therefore I am” and this lies at the very heart of most peoples’ reality. Reality isn’t dependent on the individiual or the means by which he thinks; language.
Next up: cladking will explain how “Green Eggs And Ham” is in actuality a step-by-step instruction manual for building a car engine that runs on Mountain Dew.
Error #1: There is perfect logic in the statement, given the context from which it springs.
Error #2: Few people actually care about the statement except as a basis for puns and related jokes. (I have never met human who based any of there understanding of reality based on that sentence. The overwhelming majority of people simply accept that they are real, simply because they are here.
The meanings and words in the PT are consistent. Every word always means the same thing. The author intent is consistent with ALL the physical evidence. This is all I’m trying to show.
There is simply too little evidence to solve how it was built without the logic in the PT. If this logic is real as I think it might be then everything we believe about ancient people is wrong.
I have a great deal of respect for almost all individual Egyptologists. Their expertise is real and they have extensive knowledge individually and collectively.
But they are wrong and couldn’t be too much more wrong.
Normally when I quote Egyptologists one of two things apply; either it is well known Egyptological opinion OR it is common opinion ass viewed from my perspective. In either case the statement are literally accurate. Certainly some Egyptologists would never say something the way I see the real meaning of their statements. I believe it’s usually apparent when I’m stating professional opinion or paraphrasing it by what I believe that opinion would mean to an actual Egyptian. Simply stated, most of the things and ideas that Egyptologists ascribe to the Egyptians I believe would be highly offensive to the actual people. I state these opinions as the ancient people might understand it. I often use phraseology like translating these lines as meaning one should tiptoe in corpse dripping is tantamount to calling the people stinky footed bumpkins. Othertimes I just use the short hand just as we all do in modern language. When an Egyptologist says the pyramids were built with ramps we know exactly what each word means to him. We know he doesn’t mean alien tractor beams dragged stones up ramps or that he is differentiating between the real pyramids and the tiny things that obscure the facts. We know he has no evidence and he doesn’t know eoither the configuration of the ramps or how stones were moved along them. He just means they dragged stones on ramps they themnselves constructed.
Semantics will not solve how these were built. Semantics is largely what caused “it mustta been ramps” to arise in the first place.
Dry tinder burns much faster and more easily than wet wood. It requires far less heat to get to burn. Brains would actually require more heat to burn than is given off in the process.
Scientific metaphysics very carefully excluded such concepts but it also excluded the concept that reality exists at all other than the degree to which we can design experiments it can affect. This was the philosophy at the time that metaphysics was formalized. Of course now days we are drifting away from it anyway.
The statement is logical from the perspective of some individual who speaks modern language. But if the individual speaks any kind of language it follows he exists in spite of the “logic”. The statement would be more attuned to reality or the human condition if it just ended after “I think” or “I have language”. Whether people today consider this “proof” is important or not many of the things we do believe today spring from this.
It shouldn’t be too difficult but then I don’t believe this was Dr Seuss’s intent when he wrote it, SamIAm. More importantly there isn’t extensive physical evidence that Dr Seuss actually had built such a vehicle.
