I think you misunderstand me here. My hypothesis is supported by all the evidence but the work hasn’t been done yet to prove it. No real science has been done at Giza since 1987. They have just been looking for gold and paving over the evidence for the convenience of tourists. Lehner has been working in the builders village and Khentkawes Town but this is highly improbable to turn up direct evidfence for pyramid building or the beliefs of the people.
Meanwhile, I have debunked ramps. It’s not yet widely accepted but more and more people are coming to agree. Ramps have been debunked since 2011 as an indirect result of understanding the PT. Even Egyptologists are stepping back from “ramps”. Every point in the debunkment stands. The simple fact is the word “ramp” isn’t even attested from the great pyramid building age.
Meanwhile there is a ben ben growing in the Sphivnx Temple TODAY!
The concept that the people were so primitive and brutish that the only way they could lift stones was by dragging them up ramps was born in the 19th century and it’s time for it to die.
I’d guess they were all built one step at a time as well. Each of these pyramids is associated with water and the very first thing constructed at Machu Pichu was a water collection device.
My primary tool is Mercer’s translation but I use several.
I use this string to search it;
utterance “Sacred Texts Egypt Index Previous Next”
I just put the search term in front and use google. The search engines have gotten so bad I’m not sure I could have done it with today’s search engines.
A also use heiroglyhic dictionaries and drawings of the glyphs. Much of the work is technical, logical, or evidential. What the builders actually said isn’t even always a starting point.
I… you know I was taking the piss, right ? I mean, I specifically said so. I was not making a serious assertion.
Here’s a serious assertion however : y’all are thinking about it the wrong way around. Every scholarly paper I’ve read on the subject seems to be grounded in an unspoken but axiomatically followed conception of history and historiography, when the factual truth is so much simpler. Everybody broaches the problem under the assumption that the Egyptians built the pyramids from the bottom up, which would have required the continuous lifting of tons upon tons of heavy stone ; when common sense tells us they could (and must have) built them from the top down. That way gravity does all the work !
(yes, yes, this is still a silly attempt at being funny, he sheepishly admitted)
(please don’t you, or anyone, segue from this into "h flying saucers ? Please ? For me ?)
Truth is stranger than fiction. Herodotus said they were built top down and C14 testing appears to confirm it.
I believe the C14 results are a fluke but the pyramid really was finished from the top down; the steps were finished starting at the top. Indeed the two “ramp-like” structures that appear on the lowest 81’ 3" high step were actually used to drag stones “down”.
I believe these have very subtle causations. They are invisible up close and people don’t seem to notivce them even though they were drawn by Napolean’s artists on his expedition.
If ramps had been used they’d have most probably left slkanted lines on the pyramids but all visible lines are horizontal and vertical. I’ve thought of several different ways the means of lifting could leave such lines but the most obvious and probably the primary cause is that stones came from the quarry sequentially as they were made. Each looked much more like the one in front and the one behind than any other. The stones were then laid in the same order creating the horizontal banding. But no stone could be laid at the exact point that the stones arrived on top of the pyramid because there was a track at this point for bringing up stone. After the top was finished then this area where the track had been was filled in with stone from a different part of the quarry that looks different. Since the stones all arrived vertically the track was vertical and the filled in stones left vertical lines.
The huge lines in the center are likely the result of a similar process. Masons intentionally left the backing stones farther back in order to make the joint between the bifurcated side.
You can see the line straight up the side because the side is really two sides. This was probably touse the structure as a clock and a calender.
Oh, don’t get them started, everything the MesoAmericans and Andeans left behind was Alien as heck, and the fleet flew in from the secret base in Atlantis at the bottom of the Bermuda Triangle. :rolleyes:
Mind you, before Aliens were “respectable”, the dismissive line was that someone from one of the Old World civilizations must have made it across and taught them. :smack::mad:
But really, they (Amerinds, Egyptians, Early Britons, etc.) *could * move the astounding masses of rock and build those huge monuments, and they DID. Any debate, as in the later posts, would be about which methods were available, which of them were used and how.
Everything is perspective. Modern people don’t need outside help to build sky scrapers but we need internal combustion engines and computers to aid design and work flow. When we get all done we pat ourselves on the back and say “look what I made”. Ancient people didn’t need aliens nor Atlanteans probably but when they got all done they said “Look what the natural phenomena made”. We simply mistranslate the concept as “gods” and assumed they were stinky footed bumpkins who had nothing but brute strenght to lift stones.
This assumption that ancient people were incapable is belied by their work and is pernicious in that it demeans us as we attempt to demean them. Humans are quite remarkable in our ability to adapt to virtually any situation. We have an ability to think in various ways, and apparently, various modes dependent on our language. I believe it is of critical importance to solve how the Great Pyramid was built and this is far more important in a day and age that ramps are debunked and institutions are collapsing. This theory suggests that any individual human is capable of almost anything. We are trivializing the individual now days but only individuals think. We are on a dangerous road and recognizing the importance of the individual and the greatness of our ancestors may be a means to get off of it.
No matter the case we deserve to know how the pyramids were built. Or maybe it really is only corporations and governments “who” deserve to know how the pyramids were built but we aren’t going to find out by maintaining a status quo that holds our ancestors in extremely low regard and refusing to do even the most basic scientific testing.
Have you presented any of your translations to the Egyptologists who would be able to evaluate your claims? Anyone can make up translations that fit some preconceived ideas but have you done the scholarly work to back up the hypothesis.
I’ve never studied the subject, but your claims seem pretty fanciful on the surface. How would we evaluate whether you have made a breakthrough or are just blowing smoke?
I hope I didn’t mislead you in any way. I am in no way a scholar. I don’t read the heiroglyphs but, I believe, I am the only one who can read the language. It’s the language that is distinct and unlike any modern language. Where each word in a sentence has many meanings in modern language and one must discern that meaning through context the ancient language had only a single meaning for every word and every object was described by three different words; a scientific, colloquial, and vulgar. Meaning in the ancient language was expressed in context by choice of word. This language can’t really be translated.
Yes, everything I say sounds pretty fanciful to me also. It all seems rather strange since I’m as much a product of the modern age and modern thinking as everyone else. But the fact remains that this theory has been making accurate predictions since it was “invented”. This strongly suggests that it is accurate. Indeed, the ancient science took reality as being axiomatic and the sole reason for science (obsevation and logic) was to make accurate predictions. Their scientists were “prophets” because they were charged with making predictions and we simply misunderstand this word as well. We misinterpret ALL the scientific terms. One third of the vocabulary is scientific and we believe these words are religious or magical. They referred to their language as “the words of the gods (neters)” because all learning and all knowledge was added to their metaphysical language. They called our languages “confused” because every listener took a different meaning. If you don’t understand the ancient language it just sounds like gobbledty gook and you won’t be able to determine the most basic concepts like the meaning of “the eye of horus”. If you misunderstand something in modern language you won’t even know it. Each time a story is repeated it changes.
I used to engage Egyptologists quite a bit early on. It was always the same thing though; they would be highly dismissive and when they explained why I was wrong they gave me some of my best clues and some of the most important confirmation I had that time. Indeed, if they had ignored me I might have given up before I solved most of it and found the physical evidence and science that supports it. For the last few years no expert in this subject or closely related subjects will even respond to eMails. I still have a few translators who will help but I try very hard not to ask for it and I’ve promised not to mention them by name.
I get nearly 100% response from other experts in chemistry, physics, geology etc and they have been quite helpful at times. Some of the explanations of the writing seem to be extremely detailed. There is a lot of information that can be crammed into the ancient language by the speaker. Their language and understanding was somewhat primitive by our standards but it was accurate, complete, and extremely effective in use. They built these pyramids with little more than stone age tools (it appears) and, I believe, at least part of the reason was as a testimonial to their knowledge and culture.
Most people will be very surprised to learn the PT consistently, repeatedly, and coherently says the great pyramids were not tombs. This isn’t obvious only because of all the misunderstanding and the fact that due to the nature of the work as ritual the pyramids were usually referred to by colloquial and vulgar terms.
I believe Egyptology will be dragged kicking and screaming to this party. They’ll only lighten up once they realize how much of the ancient culture can be reconstructed using a workable paradigm. It’s all there and there’s some chance even ancient history (their ancient history) can be recovered.
But it doesn’t really matter, in the big scheme of things, how the pyramids were built. So I don’t understand all the stuff about how we deserve to know the truth and governments and corporations hoarding the knowledge. Who cares? While I’m sure the ancient Egyptians came up with a clever way to do it, that fsct is now just a curiosity, no?
I believe this has enormous implications for how we think of ourselves and how we conduuct philosophy and science. Many new facts will need to be reconciled with our modern beliefs and many things we believe are facts will be shown to be false or merely perspective.
In the short run it’s not so important exept in education but the effects will snowball as basic tenets are tweaked.
In the long run it will impact our understanding of modern science and the meaning of the results but it will simply redefine philosophy.
We are not descendents of superstitious simpletons sharing a planet with unintelligent animals. The reality is very very different. People act on what they believe so as these beliefs disappear we will act differently.
I think the biggest confirmation they had that you were wrong, leaving behind all the historical and scientific inaccuracies your theory is riddled with, is this one statement:
The arrogance of that statement is the main(but obviously not only) reason I will not listen to your “theory” any longer.
I really don’t think so. Knowing their exact methodology will have almost no impact on civilization today. Also, there’s plenty of superstitious simpletons around today, you seem bizarrely confident that ancient Egypt didn’t have them.
Not really, no. We know they built the pyramids, they were extremely clever and experienced builders. They used a variety of methods, some lost to time but most have been recreated and used, or supplanted by other means.
Science won’t change; there’s no need to. How we think about our selves won’t change; no important new information has been added. Philosophy continues along unchanged. I’m not sure what you think is introduced here.
It’s not arrogance. If I’m right then it’s a simple fact. I’m not the only person to “reinterpret” the ancient texts. Indeed, the fact is no two translators have come up with the same thing and some of these are so different as to be unrecognizable as being translations of the same thing. They simply don’t know what the ancient writing is about and this is a simple fact. They don’t know a shm-sceptre from a 3ms-sceptre but when you understand the meaning these become apparent. There have been all sorts of odd retranslations and reinterpretations and only a couple people (me and CH Harvey) have even tried to make sense of it. I believe his work is often inspired but he is mostly wrong. He retranslated I just reinterpreted. Egyptologists believe it is gobbledty gook written by stinky footed bumpkins as proven by their translation that dead god/ kings shouldn’t walk in corpse drippings. You might not believe it but this is what I’m dealing with; the pervasive belief that our ancestors were so primitive they needed to be told not to walk in the effluxes of corpses. According to Egyptologists the ancients reported this smell as sweet but they said their goddess “isis” stank to high heaven. They are so set in their beliefs that the ancients were inept, ignorant, and incapable that they can’t see the proof that they weren’t.
Yes, you can reject my work (my hypothesis) based on the fact that if I’m correct I am the only person in the world who understands (after a fashion) the ancient language based on my assumption that their writing must have made perfect sense and years of work to discover that sense or you can believe the pyramid builders were stinky footed bumpkins who dragged tombs up ramps. I certainly understand your reluctance to go along with any idea that says everything we believe is wrong.
Sometimes it’s hard for me to accept this as well but then I remember everyone else knows the answer and I’m only seeking it. Egyptologists know they used ramps and many people know that it was aliens, giants, or nephilim. Some people know it was balloons or kites or magic. The only thing I know is my hypothesis can be tested and can makes accurate predictions. I know 150 years of looking for ramps has failed and that they are debunked.
I’ve been at this for nearly nine years and Egyptology is unchanged and no closer to the truth or seeking it then they have been since 1986. They count the number of angel who can dance on the head of a pin and debate the meaning of the eye of horus yet no two opinions are the same. If I said other people understand the PT there would be no need for me to continue to try to understand it. Egyptologists have simply turned the only writing that survives from the great pyramid building age into magic and incantation. They are wrong and I simply can’t say they are not.
I do know that if I’m right it will impact some basic beliefs like “I think therefore I am”. Perhaps the average Joe won’t care much. I’m guessing that the next generation of average Joes might be impacted.
There are some surprises and it is apparent that recorded history was “set up” by our misunderstanding and misinterpretation of ancient language.
