How would you describe something that isn’t immoral but is still harmful to people and society?

Why are they immoral, then?

(Though I agree with @MrDibble, and would include non-human living beings, natural features, archaeological sites; when the damage is done carelessly or for the sake of the damage.)

That’s when we start going down religious lines of what constitutes immorality. Lust for example is considered an act of immorality in religion but if there is no physical movement on the desire of a man having lust for a woman is that harmful?

Some religions.

Presuming that you mean that the person only thinks about it inside their own head, without obviously leering, gossiping to others about an identifiable person, etc.: I would say not only is it not harmful, some of the time it’s unavoidable. Ditto if it’s a woman having lust for a man; or any of the other permutations.

Predatory loans, if explained in full, don’t seem immoral to me. And yet they certainly are a stain on society and target the most desperate.

Was what I first thought of, from the title – except that many negative externalities can and/or do harm other people or social structures, if not necessarily directly. But the OP text’s elaboration creates confusion, though, by referring to:

Part of it comes that at the start it seems to differentiate “hurt” and “harm”, and define immorality strictly as that which “hurts” others, and asks about what if which something doesn’t “hurt” others, but is “harmful” to the individual or society

But then that gets muddled by going on to use “harm” interchageably in the sense of direct hurting, as in:

As best as I can understand it is being asked about then is something that does not directly, or as a first or second remove necessary consequence, make your individual and collective condition materially worse than it was, but prevents it from or does not contribute to it being as good and fulfilling as it could be?

Others have mentioned it and I must agree, part of this makes me think of my old religious education classes and the definitions of sin, where part of the issue is that you can have acts/thoughts that affect nobody else but you, and do not cause you or others any objectively quantifiable damage, but that corrupt your own spiritual growth and separate you from godliness.

Moving that into secular terms, you could then say for example from the OP list, unrestrained consumerism can in fact be seen as immoral, because it makes the mass consumption process central to the person or society’s way of life, leading them to dismiss the value of sustainable use of material and human resources, and thus turning them into quiet enablers of the harm to workers and the environment.

The problem there is that it’s not like anyone around here (i.e. the US) not getting vaccinated is somehow going to mean that someone somewhere else can get vaccinated. It’s not that sort of choice where you doing something means someone else can’t.

It’s very much one of those if you don’t do it, it’s more likely it’ll be thrown away having expired. Which to me, seems less ethically justifiable than anything else.

I feel like you are ascribing your own definition of morality to determine what you think is “harmful” to society. People and society aren’t necessarily “better” just because the adopt a Protestant work ethic, build furniture with their hands, or learn to grow their own vegetables just for its own sake. There are practical reasons why hard work and knowing how to be handy are valuable skills. But one can also imagine a sufficiently advanced society where such skills are not really necessary as anything more than a side hobby for most people. How many Americans know how to ride a horse or till a field or make a barrel by hand compared to 200 years ago? Is modern society worse for that?

The reason most of the things you described might be “harmful” in excess is because there are typically other things that require people’s time and efforts. But one could imagine in a suitable wealthy and automated society, there might not really be a lot of meaningful work to do. So why not just fuck around, do drugs and watch dumb TV shows all day? Other than a lot of people might find that really boring after awhile.

I suppose the term you may be looking for is unintended consequences. Negative or harmful results that weren’t planned as a result of well-intentioned purposeful action.

Similar terms might also include perverse incentives or moral hazards. All these terms share a similar theme of bad things happening due to well intentioned or at worse morally neutral actions.

Have you seen the election results lately? Or the contents of social media? That’s what you get when you empower people whose main life pursuit is finding new sources of mindless amusement.

The caveat was that there isn’t something more important that those people were required to do. Imagine what all those idiots might do if they weren’t being distracted all day!