Dukakis’s career died with the picture of him in a tank just as Dean’s career died with a single “yeehaw”.
Maybe I’m confused but isn’t a commuted sentence different than a pardon? He commuted a sentence of 108 years down to 47 for a 17-year-old convicted of robbery and theft. He had served 11 years at this point and was released soon after the commuted sentence only to be jailed again for parole violations (serving another 4 years). 47 sounds about right for his crimes considering his age.
From here he then went on to multiple felony charges in Washington State and was currently out on bail for the alleged rape of a child. I would think his rap sheet would have warranted a higher bail or no bail. At this point he had to have been viewed as a nutter.
As much as I despise the politics of Mike “The World’s Most Cuddlesome Rattlesnake” Huckabee, I find it hard to really pin this one on him. Nonetheless, the sooner he pursues his true destiny as a bass player in a Xtian rock band, the better.
That, too. Republicans are never averse to killing the dead, just to be sure.
No, the reporter who chose to assert that the person at the top of the list was Huckabee works for the NYT now. So did his editor. The detective didn’t mention Huckabee at all.
Try reading the thread title.
Regards,
Shodan
Quite so. Better would have been, “Huckabee’s Gun Used Seattle Shooting.”
More leftwing propaganda from the dastardly New York Times
The thread title from the Straight Dope was used by the NYT? We were talking about your supposition that
My point is that the NYT did not say that “Huckabee pardoned the shooter” In fact, their coverage seems to be quite balanced, which is at odds with your fantasy of what they would do.
Not what they “would” do, what they have done already. A police officer mentions a lot of people; the reporter identifies Huckabee as the preeminent one to blame.
I suspect your definition of “balanced” is the same as the NYT, unfortunately for the credibility of either.
Regards,
Shodan
Are you seriously suggesting it would be accurate reporting to say otherwise? The article was about Huckabee, who, as a former presidential candidate, is a lot higher profile than other people in the chain. So, you think it’s unfair – really? – that Huckabee is getting the most attention?
Furthermore, you still have failed to acknowledge the point that has been made repeatedly that there are many from the right wing that are leading the attack. There has been no editorializing in the NY Times articles that have appeared in print on the topic, and none that said “Huckabee pardoned the shooter” over and over, as you claimed.
Furthermore, what about the fact that there has been a large number of “liberals” (myself included) in this thread who have defended Huckabee and said that blaming him is stupid?
For Shodan anything a conservative does is not his fault. Hucklebee did play a role in the release. I personally would have made the same decision. The sentence was way overboard for the pre-adult crimes. So Huclebee thought so and his power was such that it set the wheels in motion.
With his information, it was not a bad decision. It just went wrong. It happens. If he spent a lot of the governments time researching every criminal case that was brought to him, he would have not be able to do his job. The noise in these cases put pressure on governors to never fix legal wrongs. That would be a sad result.
Yes. If you get pardoned, you get out of jail immediately. Huckabee commuted Clemmons’ sentence to about 47 years from 108, and the commutation made him immediately eligible for parole. He was paroled shortly thereafter.
Huckabee’s decision to commute went badly and I’m still curious about the factors that went into making that decision. It’s also apparent that other people screwed up here. If he was this crazy, it should have been identified and dealt with earlier -the Pulaski prosecutor apparently knew about it - and I’m not sure how this guy got parole, or why he did not get a longer sentence for his more recent crimes, or why he was able to move to Washington, or why he was still out on the street after the various things he did earlier this year.
These things only killed them because they reinforced the fears people already had about them. Likewise George HW Bush was severely damaged when he expressed surprise at the existence of the supermarket scanner while touring a grocery store. A trivial thing, but it sort of punctuated his weakness - that he was out of touch with the common person. It punctuated his weakness.
Yes, as I’ve explained several times. The police officer mentioned no one specifically, but the reporter chose to identify Huckabee at the person first to blame. There is no indication that the police officer meant this - it is an opinion of the reporter.
Almost correct - Huckabee was singled out as the person most to blame because he is a former Republican Presidential candidate. If they could have figured out a way to blame Sarah Palin, they would have done that.
But you are correct - it is unfair to assign blame based on notoriety rather than culpability. It would be unfair, for example, to say that Howard Dean is first on the list to blame for his son’s burglary because he ran for the Presidency , or the same for Al Gore and his son’s drug problems. Slightly less unfair, because obviously a father is more responsible for his son than a governor for a convict whose sentence he reduced, but unfair nonetheless.
IIRC, such an article appeared on the front page of the print edition yesterday (I believe I saw it at the airport). I suspect you and I will disagree on what constitutes “editorializing”.
Regards,
Shodan
OK, Shodan, name one other individual who played a bigger part in this guy’s eventual release than Huckabee. If he’s not on the top of the list, then surely there’s someone else who is.
I don’t know any of their names, specifically, but I already mentioned the two parole boards and the judge(s) who let him out on bail. The second parole board in particular.
For heaven’s sake, he committed a robbery when he was on parole the first time - and then they paroled him again.
Regards,
Shodan
A parole board is not an individual.
Are you seriously arguing that if it had been someone granted clemency by Howard Dean, that would never have been mentioned in the media?
And a prospective future one. “Republican” matters because *they themselves *made prisoner releases a campaign issue, right?
The Times just wants Pawlenty to win so they’re clearing the way for him. It’s so transparently biased.