HurricaneDitka openly admits he prefers SDMB for its troll-friendly nature

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From in this post and beyond, HurricaneDitka restates in several different ways that he prefers SDMB to other forums because it’s the easiest place to post liberal-hostile content as frequently as possible while feeling confident that the targets of offense will definitely see the content.

Typical for a conservative, he characterizes even a mild anonymous reputational penalty as silencing and censorship and persecution.

He takes care to point out that just annoying people isn’t good enough for him, he needs to be able to post it more than once every 10 minutes in spite of any history of good faith.

This meets pretty much every definition of jerkishness and trollishness I can think of, yet it rates nothing more than a mod action of keep it down, kids. Of course HD continues the hijack after the mod note, of course the mods will not chastise him for ignoring them, of course if I respond I’ll be the one to rate mod action. No wonder he likes it here. No wonder other people are deserting.

HurricaneDitka, I’d like to issue you a challenge. Let’s test your theory that you’d get “downvoted to hell on a liberal subreddit”. This is a very testable hypothesis. Create a burner account there. Let us know what that account is. Post on /r/AskALiberal in the same fashion that you do here. It’s a subreddit specifically engineered to let conservatives challenge liberals. Show us how you get “downvoted to hell”.

Likely you’ll indeed see a few downvotes, because of course a dishonest troll is going to get a few, but more likely you’ll have to face what you actually fear… neutral votes and low engagement because your content is weak.

I’m not naive enough to suppose you’ll actually follow through on that. SDMB mods cover your bad-faith behavior, and the absence of reputational features lets you continue telling yourself that you’re speaking bold important truths to power. Of course you prefer it here, of course you’re going to stay here, it’s very comfortable and safe and you’re well-protected. I just want to highlight that your propositions of theoretical persecution are emininently testable, but you really want to avoid knowing whether they’re true.

And mods… really? Seriously? HurricaneDitka has taken pains to clarify that he likes to post here because he can piss people off as frequently as possible without even mild anonymous consequences. Is there still a “don’t be a jerk” rule, and if so, what does it even mean?

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I don’t think saying that the SDMB is better than reddit because it is at least in theory rules-based rather than popularity-based is trolling, but YMMV.

Regards,
Shodan

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The nuance is that he says he prefers to post here because the moderation structure ensures he gets to offend as many people as possible, as frequently as possible, thanks to the fact that a human review system bottlenecks effective feedback of the people who have to live with him.

Supposedly there’s a “don’t be a jerk” rule but it doesn’t apply to people who openly state that they’re here to be a jerk, and that this place makes it easier for them to be a jerk.

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No, he didn’t say that. He said he likes it here because the minority isn’t silenced just because it is the minority.

I think you are making a common mistake. Posting a non-majority opinion even though it is a non-majority opinion is different from posting a non-majority in order to piss people off.

You are probably correct that, if the SDMB banned or silenced people based on majority rule, HurricaneDitka and I and a few others would be gone in a few months, and then those who were left would not have to hear anything they didn’t want to. For better or worse, in theory at least, the idea is to allow people to post as long as they stay within the rules, even if the majority doesn’t like it.

Regards,
Shodan

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So here you’re doing the same thing as him, suggesting that any sort of reputation system is equal to censorship or silence. It just makes it easier for people to spot you for what you are, and conservatives are really really afraid of that. (Though I don’t know why, there’s no shortage of friendly subreddits and stooge Twitter accounts).

But you don’t have to believe me… my challenge stands. Create a burner Reddit account, go post on /r/AskALiberal, give it your trolly best and share your stats with us. If you’re right, you’ll get a lot of downvotes and no engagement and maybe censored. If I’m right, you’ll probably get enough comments to prove that you’re seen, and a net neutral vote tally that proves nobody cares what you’re saying.

Easily testable, very empirical and scientific, but I’m guessing none of you really wants to know how it actually turns out.

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I feel more affection for a weeping carbuncle than for HurricaneDitka and would be pleased to see him gone, but these efforts are wasted, IMO. Like many chronic irritants over the years, he’s slimy enough to stay just shy of breaking any board rule severely enough to get his ass banned. I don’t foresee the mods ever 86ing him unless he slips up and threatens to sue the board.

Much like his rhetorical wingman, fellow crucifixture and font of pith Shodan, he appears to have an excess of free time to devote to reading and posting in this forum. Being suddenly faced with a need to fill that time in other ways could throw even a younger man into an existential panic. He isn’t going anywhere.

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He’s a dishonest, cowardly, bloodthirsty troll. At least by his posts. Maybe in real life he’s a decent guy, but as a poster he’s a lying, cowardly piece of shit.

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I think HD is a disingenuous asshole and I will almost never engage with him. However, I disagree with your the OPs read of what he’s saying. I agree with Shodan’s view.

I like that there are minority viewpoints here. I just wish they didn’t argue in such bad faith (HD, doorhinge) or weren’t so idiotic (UrbanRedneck, UltraVires). Where are Bricker and adaher?

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No, he didn’t. Maybe you can take that first post that way (though it ignores that hidden posts are still there and people will still engage with you), but the other linked post makes it clear that what he wants to be able to do is spam a bunch of anti-liberal comments.

There’s no reason for him to be upset about the time limit that only affects brand new accounts to a particular subreddit to avoid spamming/brigading, unless that’s what he wants to be able to do.

You also seem to forget that you’ve already admitted that one of the reasons you post here is to tweak liberals. And you clearly do it more now, posting so much snark that is bereft of content just to try and piss off the libs. You are anti-Trump, but you post a ton of stuff supporting Trump just to be contrary, as it allows you to attack the libs.

No one here wishes you were gone because you post a minority opinion. You just enjoy causing disruption too much, and push people’s buttons too much. So when you try to push it as some sort of honorable debate, the claim rings hollow.

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That’s a crazy lisp you have there.

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I clicked on both links and…well, I’m not seeing it the way the OP is, to be honest. Of course, I’m probably considered a troll as well (hell, I’m apparently a racist too), but HD just seems to be saying, in terms of just what’s linked, that this site is better than others because if you have a minority opinion you won’t be banned by the majority. I agree with that view.

Now, there is probably more to this both from the OP and from several other posters, that perhaps lead them to this conclusion (past posting history, etc), but, based just on what’s linked? I don’t see it.

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Yeah, as much as I think HD is a JAQing off concern troll of a buttmunch, I don’t think the OP’s links show egregious behavior.

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Unsurprisingly, XT enlists in the ranks of people who think “having a minus one by my handle” is equal to “banned and silenced and persecuted.”

I mean… you do understand that a downvote doesn’t mean getting literally killed to death, right? It just means other people understand you’re an asshole. I understand why you’d want to avoid that, but don’t pretend this is about anything else.

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People habitually say “Bricker is better than this” and they’re wrong, but I find myself landing on Team Adaher for seeing him gradually staggering toward something like truth. Not that anybody asked me.

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Man, you have a different impression of XT than I do.

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Bricker is better than HD, dh, UR, or UV, for sure. He didn’t really argue in bad faith and he admitted when he was wrong. He was annoyingly Socratic, it was difficult to tease out his position, and his habit of arguing legality when others were arguing ethics or morals was extra annoying. But, he was far better than many righties here.

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What I want everyone to be clear on, in this thread, is that I’m not advocating for banning anyone. It’s actually the opposite. Let everyone participate, and let’s have the ability to upvote or downvote their comments so people are warned as to what our fellow community-members think is garbage.

Unsurprisingly the garbage-posters vehemently reject any characterization of their posts as garbage, unsurprisingly these resisters are all conservatives, unsurprisingly these people reject any mechanism by which they might be labeled negatively by the people they have to share a space with. Unsurprisingly they all reject a challenge to see how their posts might be accepted in an actual marketplace of ideas.

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I’ve had gonnorhea and rabies and I prefer rabies. Not sure what this comparison means.

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Stick around, it won’t take long.

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I think I’d have the same problem with my pro-choice view on a Reddit pro-life page. Similarly, my anti-Trump views or my anti-death penalty views on the proper Reddit boards. I’m not sure that’s such an insight.

This place is interesting because of all the viewpoints, the unbelievable number of amazing experts in the most obscure subjects, and the overall excellent moderation. All I think he was saying was he can post the things he believes in to an audience that mostly disagrees and he doesn’t get banned.

I don’t think this board is as lefty as the righties say it is – we’ve had multiple right-leaning members find themselves in the middle or on the left as the GOP has moved in a more reactionary direction. I think this board is really center-left. But, someone in the Fox News bubble would see us as a bunch of radical socialists. However, from HD’s Mormon Utah perspective, I’m sure we’re out there. So, his ability to be able to continue posting is a pleasant surprise, probably.

Anyway, hockey playoffs are starting, so I’m out.