Seeing that HD is currently falling for climate change deniers from FOX “news”, the impression I still get is that what you call centrism is in reality also a product of the conservative media moving the Overton window too far to the right. Of course the complication is that “centrists” like you also confuse even scientific evidence with political correctness.
How about a system where everybody sees posts ranked by their own votes only? And you have unlimited votes on each post. That way you can get them in the exact order you want.
Reddit is the dumbest place on earth.
GIGO, you’re confused as usual. I’m not calling HD a centrist: he and Shodan are quite obviously right wing. Nor does political correctness have anything to do with climate change. (Maybe you didn’t notice, but one of my favorite Democrats running is Jay Inslee.)
Hey, XT, you need some wood for that cross, there?
I think Irruncible is profoundly misunderstanding what HD was saying. That’s not at all an admission of trolling, not anything like.
I definitely think HD has migrated into full troll mode, posting increasingly disingenuous material as his political positions became less and less defensible. I mean, his recent “hate speech” thread was clearly designed to allow him and his fellow travellers to claim that liberals are all Nazis for wanting to prosecute hate speech, which they did when - eventually - someone gave him the feedline he had been hoping for.
But I’m not convinced the example in the OP is a clear example of him trolling.
I try not to engage with him aside from very occasional reminders, when it seems appropriate, of his rhetorical aid and comfort for for sexual assault and the violation of the consent of women. This really seems to bug him, which makes me suspect he may actually have a shred of decent humanity that recognizes that sexual assault and the mistreatment of women is terrible, even as he continuously tries to rationalize his tolerance for it.
It’s similar to the way that I try not to engage with Shodan on anything about racism any more, aside from occasional reminders that he thinks it’s fine to refer to some black people as the n-word. This also seems to bug him, and I suspect it’s more of that shred of decency business.
Now’s the queue for some Shodan snark about how it doesn’t bother him at all… 
Yeah, I’ll sign on to this. HD acts in a way indistinguishable from trolling, but the OP does not reflect that.
His go-to bullshit move is to find some detail in an opponent’s post and latch onto it like a remora. Generally those details fall into two camps:
- Widely-known facts (e.g., Trump Jr.'s dissembling about the Trump Tower meeting) that a person mentions without offering a citation for; and
- A tiny detail that may or may not be incorrect, but which is immaterial to the main thrust of a person’s post.
If a person is unable or unwilling to provide a cite for whatever he’s up in arms about, he sneers at how poor their entire argument is. If they provide a cite, he moves the goalposts bit by bit, never being satisfied with the cite.
It’s a super-shitty way to argue, even more annoying than Slacker’s “I’m in the triple sigma club and am super smart, also listen to this entire racist podcast or you can’t discuss this issue, also I read tiny excerpt of the book you like and didn’t understand it so the book is garbage” approach.
Yes, this. I don’t want the guy banned, believe it or not. But I do wish that everytime he starts one of his stealth-trolling threads in GD, the moderators would see it for what it is and kick it to the Pit. I think that would shut him down real fast as he’s scared of the Pit
And no more letting him blatantly break the rules. If another poster beats him at his game and goads him into violating forum guidelines, he should getting a warning, not a pass because his wife just spawned something. I’m still pissed off that he cursed at me in GD and didn’t get a warning.
Aw shucks, LHOD, aren’t you sweet. :blushing:
ETA: I bought that fucking book just to satisfy you lot, but then the thread was immediately closed. :smack:
ETA2: Andy can vouch for my having good taste in science fiction.
Naw, I think your clueless attempt to paint me as a racist (and get away with it) was good enough. Need a carrot for your pony so it can do it’s one trick, or was this just you dropping by to say hi?
I’d be happier just to have more consistent standards. Why would the rest of us take moderation seriously if the moderators themselves don’t?
That said, I wonder if their obvious Affirmative Action policy, apparently intended to preserve the existence of the small-government, pro-gun POV here, is actually backfiring. Maybe the so-called “thoughtful conservatives” (which don’t include most of the posters listed in this thread) are being driven off, not by actual exploration of their views, but by forced association with the dishonest and the hate-driven types.
I think that’s what we call “witnessing”. I can relate to wanting to spread a perspective among people who don’t currently share it. What differentiates trolling from witnessing? The troll isn’t intending or hoping to convince people or change people’s minds, but is just poking the anthill. Even here, though, there’s a legitimate (if mildly grey) area in which a person pokes and combats the hardiners and extremists among possible opponents and tries to draw them into a posting exchange for the purpose of spreading their own thinking to other people who might be following along.
I, for one, fully support the SDMB attitude of “err on the side of letting people communicate”. There are enough Facebook (etc) groups where any opinion that veers from what is held by the majority of the community at large is unwelcome and gets one’s posts erased and/or gets one banned posthaste.
Without in any shape way fashion or form seeking to endorse the general perspectives of HurricaneDitka or, for that matter, Shodan, I’m going to have to do the Voltaire and defend their right to say things in here right up to the point that it becomes apparent that their only purpose is to make people angry and frustrated. And we should err on the side of tolerating marginal trollery and not the side of marginal censorship.
I agree that there’s a bit of affirmative action for conservatives here. They seem to have a higher threshold for warnings and threads in which they’re getting their asses handed to them get closed.
I don’t know what to make of Ditka- sometimes he engages with a bit of jocularity, sometimes he just wants to poke at liberals for the sheer pleasure of it. What puts him in my naughty list is his being a DJT apologist. You simply cannot support Donald and be a good person.
You mean your pathetic attempt at “he’s calling me a racist” when you had no reply to the actual point I made (which was not to call you a racist).
Damn, but you did flip out at the end there. Still, speaking of “getting away with it”, I see you managed to get back to the British Empire unmodded… pity your reading comprehension sucks. I said they were much worse than Hitler & Stalin. Hell, they were worse than Hitler and Stalin combined.
Carrots aren’t for ponies. They’re for asses. Here, you can have mine…
“Hi!”.
If you post something even after I told you I don’t like it, it must be that you posted it because I told you I don’t like it. And that’s trolling.
:shrugs: Liberals on the SDMB don’t think the Ignore function or not reading someone is enough. It is offensive that the contrary opinion exists, even if they can’t or don’t or don’t have to see it. Thoughtcrime is an offense, not simply against them, but against the universe. Such things must not be allowed to exist.
“Living in a bubble” is a good analogy. Bubbles can be popped too easily to take any chances.
Regards,
Shodan
Incidentally, Jay Inslee does think that Lomborg (who is not a climate scientist) is just telling us that we can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. IOW, that Lomborg is just an expert in misleading us about what we can do about climate change.
So, nope, the one that is confused is you..
Sticking to the latest nonsence from HD:
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21504463&postcount=39
So, yeah, my point stands, until you acknowledge that you fell for Lomborg and many misleaders from the right, you are just a little bit different from HurracaneDitka. You are indeed confusing prepackaged anti-science positions from the extreme right as “centrist” points of view.
Can anyone see the disconnect between these two statements?
I had a reply and made it. It was clear…as crystal…that you had zero clue what I was even talking about. Hell, you say you watched the video, and it’s clear you had zero…fucking…clue…what THEY were talking about. It was clear by what Wiki you linked too that you thought it was all about racism against the Chinese, where what they and I was talking about was the CCP. You still don’t get that…clearly. Probably because your pony only does one trick.
It’s why I stopped responding to you in that thread. Because, at some point, the disconnect is so great that it’s frankly not worth my time to try and correct or even to try and engage. Basically, what you wanted to talk about was that China is no worse than the West, does things no worse than the West, and that any thing that is talking about what China does MUST be about racism against Chinese and white washing what the West does because…racism. It was clear that’s what you wanted to discuss. Me, I wanted to actually just give a link to a video I found interesting. It wasn’t supposed to be a debate at all. Oh, I was willing to talk about the video itself, but you wanted to get into the evils of colonialism and the West and the equivalency of western nations with evil nations of the past and how they are all really the say. As I said…if you want to have that debate, feel free to start it. But you didn’t want to do that, and instead you decided to basically backhandedly call me a racist with that Yellow Peril link and the inference you were making. It didn’t rise to the mods level, but I knew what you were getting at, and I knew why you were getting at it and what you hoped to achieve with that, which is to shift things from criticism of the CCP to an attack on the Chinese people. It’s a tactic I’ve seen the CCP use over and over again.
Gah! And you got me to hijack this thread now! Jesus jumped a milk maid! Ok, sorry OP…I’m done. Here is a carrot for your pony. Let’s just go our separate ways for now, ehe?
WTF? Are you even reading this thread? Most of the posts disagree with the OP. I mean, seriously, this is such bull.
Here’s my broadbrush: Conservatives on the SDMB obviously can’t read, given this post above.