Hey, I just had another thought (somewhat inspired by the thread where people were denied a double room in a bed & breakfast because of their sexual orientation): what if a pharmacist decides to get “moral” about things other than reproductive choice? What if he decides sexually transmitted diseases are righteous punishment for promiscuity and refuses to hand out penicillin on the grounds that he’d be thwarting God’s will?
kanicbird, I don’t think I understood your post. Women in Iraq were allowed to vote, drive, and own property before we invaded. Is that what you meant?
Moral and ethical, it’s pretty clear cut to me. Medical, not quite so much. Frankly I wouldn’t have a problem with a doc who decided either way. That’s a very personal thing, an end of life issue.
I don’t think I’d want any medical standard that says “OK this person clearly needs to be euthanized”. But I do see your point. I just think it’s outside the “medical standards of care” area.
And Paul? You’re welcome! 
This is an excellent point.
My whole issue with a pharmacist is that his morals may be someone else’s health. Should a pharmacist refuse to fill my birth control pills based on his morals regarding my unmarried status, he’s also fucking around with my health.
But you’ve got a good point. What if I were to become pregnant and go to my doctor, who refused to treat me based on the fact that I wasn’t married. Could a doctor refuse proper prenatal care to a patient based on their marital status and his morals?
I should thank my lucky stars that my doctor, while very religious, chooses to base his decisions on what’s best for his patients, not what falls in line with his morals. When I had no insurance and couldn’t afford the OB-GYN, he had no qualms about giving me my birth control pills for my condition, even though he knew I also used them for fertility issues.
Ava
I think the main reason we can be rational in discussions is we also have the pit…i have seen a few threads where the regular discussion was nice and polite, and there was a thread pitting the subject…but then again, mods make for good behavior, keeping the nasty stuff restrined to the pit, and moving threads when it is needed=)
yay mods=) and double yay to people with brains [and most people who go to the trouble and expense of subbing for cash seem to be the ones with brains enough to understand discussing vs pitting in threads as appropriate=)]
A pharmacist is not a physician. A pharmacist is a specialist in pharmaceutical chemistry, that’s all. He is not in charge of diagnosing patients, or even knowing anything about them (except, possibly, their allergies.)
Wherethehell’s a pharmacist get off refusing to fill a prescription? On ANY grounds? Unless God Himself has been tellin’ the guy precisely WHY Lucy Luscious is getting BC pills, and why Lex Lush is takin’ Antabuse?
Hey, there’s another hair to split: Has a pharmacist ever refused to dispense Antabuse on the grounds that drunks are sinners and ought to suffer?
And do we really want pharmacists making decisions like this?
I am NOT society’s baby making machine!!!
Of course not.
Now run along into the kitchen, sugar, and make the menfolk in this thread some pie.
I do understand. And I did read it. Like I said, I was just adding my own thoughts. They had nothing to do with you.
That doesn’t give you the right to attack me on a personal level and swear at me.
I have no argument with you. Please be civil.
Forgive me, I am planning to post this under another title in the future.
I respectivaly request that my hijack not continue in this thread.
When did abortion become part of the debate? Is a sudden jump into left field part of “fighting ignorance”?
Well, what an appropriate nom de screen you chose, sweetie pie–so evocative of the distant, astoundingly ill-informed past in which you apparently reside. Are you the one who burns Margaret Sanger in effigy once a week just to keep in practice?
Who told you what the “natural consequences of sex” were? Your pastor, or your doctor? Theology is not biology, and if you’re getting your information from a guy who thumps Bibles, you’ve got no business setting yourself up as an expert on anything but the sound of this year’s crop of Elmer Gantry wannabes.
Doctors who can’t acknowledge that it’s the 21st century shouldn’t pretend they’re practicing anything but Christian Science. At least the Christian Science practitioners are honest about what they do (and don’t).
Assuming you’re of the “Babies are a gift from God unless they’re a righteous punishment for slutty sinners” school of thought, are you even vaguely aware that men have sex every day, all over the world, without risking any of that kind of “natural consequence”? Or was that movie where Ahh-nold got knocked up something other than Hollywood fiction as far as you’re concerned?
There is no evidence anywhere that birth control pills are “abortifacients.” Even the people making that ridiculous claim can’t point to anything that validates that point of view. If you can dig up the evidence, post it. Otherwise, your opinions and your pastor’s are your own sorry affair.
Wow, this could set a real precedent.
Supermarket managers refusing to sell food to fat people on the grounds that it’s immoral and irresponsible for them to be stuffing their faces when babies are starving to death in Africa.
Hardware store clerks and dry cleaners refusing to sell or give away coat hangers, because they’re well known abortifacients.
Clothing stores refusing to stock neckties on the grounds that they might be used to help people commit suicide–or worse. Ditto underwear in any but the “tighty whitey” category because it might otherwise be worn during illicit sex acts.
We won’t even get into what could be done by the purveyors of rope, silk stockings, flavored lip gloss, musk based perfume, Vaseline and K-Y Jelly. Back, ye fornicators, back, we say!
Why, just THINK of all the myriad ways that stiff-necked bluenoses can do their part to protect the public morality. Onward, Christian soldiers.
Dear Mom,
I love you.
Signed, Gingy
GASP People doing what they want with stuff they own. THE HORRORS!
Supermarket managers, dry cleaning and hardware store clerks, and pharmacists do NOT own the stuff they’re selling. Don’t be so fucking obtuse.
Don’t be a twit. People who BUY this stuff would be putting it to use - she’s talking about managers, clerks and pharmacists refusing to sell things because they disapprove of what people might do with those things.
My mistake.
I must admit, reading through this thread I’ve become uncormfortable with the “other medical reasons” argument for birth control pills - by which I mean the argument birth control pills have to be prescribed, because they are also used to treat things like endometriosis. We should be able to get birth control whether or not it’s used for anything else. My right to control my own body shouldn’t rest on the Pill’s other uses.