If he’s a lefty playing at being a righty, Free Republic is WAY more fun. You can get people to agree with the most bizarre things there.
Um.
Not that I would know or anything.
How dare you be that reasonable. Next you’ll be asking if the government can successfully run a massive military and with it’s own government run health care why do people insist the government can’t manage a public health care system? That’s just one of those "gotcha"reasonable questions that distorts honest discussion. You bastards.
I agree that the SDMB could use more voices that lean right but please. You flatter yourself if you think you scare anybody.
No your assumption is correct and welcome.
You’ll find some people here with just as many years of working and political analysis who strongly disagree. thats what keeps it interesting.
Shouldn’t you be spelling that Amerika? 
Okay, probably not him…but the class remains the same. You ask why he hates America. I ask why do you come to a message board just to troll around?
It’s cheaper than a movie and you get free coffee.
There were rumors of free pie.
As well as hilarious penises ensuing.
What free market are we talking about? Insurance companies have been merging and buying each other up for a long time. The reason is to eliminate competition. In Maine ,one company has 71 percent of the health care market. Does that sound like competition? Does it sound like a company that wants to give the best deal? No way. They control the market.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090823/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_insurance_competition Here’ a story about it. They own us, face it.
You are just lucky that Finn can’t make his counting to 11 test stick, Gonz…
-XT
Sorry, I was on my way to work when I first read this thread, so I didn’t have time to bring this up earlier, but you don’t appear to be particularly reliable when it comes to mathematics. Consider the following: in post #17, you make the claim
When you were questioned on the validity of the 8% ROR assumption, you were magnanimous enough to recalculate with a lower rate of return in post 32, like so:
So, how does the math work that you can lower your ROR by 37.5% and still increase your yield by 50%?
So you think every single person in the US should go to college? Do you think everybody is capable? You are aware of high school dropouts, aren’t you? You do know there is some variance in IQs among our citizens, don’t you? Are you familiar with laborers, fast food workers, toolmakers, factory workers, mailmen, post office workers and so many others? That was one terrible argument. You show some bitterness against some people and appear to have extrapolated it into a much bigger argument than it is entitled.
gonzomax, you do realize that the above is not really begbert2’s position, don’t you?
Huh. I never bothered to check his figures, since I was fixated on how he was going to pay for healthcare today. Reviewing the thread, I think I might have missed his point to some extent, but whatever. (I also had never heard ROR before – I was familiar with ROI and IRR, but ROR was a new one to me.)
Anyway, I brought up a handy compound interest calculator and gave myself $1,400 a year over 35 years, at 5% interest compounded monthly. I wound up with $133,096.38.
If I bump that up to a brisk 8%, I get $269,403.75.
Not bad, but a stint in the hospital, or maybe Alzheimer’s care, will whittle that down pretty quick.
If you had had the good sense to invest your money in a major investment house with a rock-solid reputation, you could qualify for the charity ward at Our Lady of Perpetual Responsibility Hospital.
Old people got no reason to live
old people got no reason to live
They got liverspotted hands
and wrinkly old eyes
they hobble around
telling old people lies
they got spotted noses
and wear old people clothes
on wrinkled old people
legs of suphose
Only one sure prevention.
Dear Mr. Madoff,
Can you rerun the numbers with a 68% return every year and show me how much I’ll have to retire on in 2015?
I really appreciate you taking good care of my money for me.
I’m doing well. How are you and your family doing?
Well, I know you’re busy. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Thanks,
Robert
This is an assumption I won’t accept without considerable study. I support free enterprise as an ideal but we do not live in an ideal world. It is the same negative qualities within mankind in general that damage the ideal of free enterprise and the government of the people and for the people. Both require that we pay attention and get involved.
Why is the military subcontracting more out to the private sector? Is that purely for efficiencies sake? Do you think that costs tax payers less or more? Look into that before you over generalize.
IMO the goal is to find the balance between the governments role in protecting the welfare of it’s citizens and encouraging the free market. In this specific case the question is how much health care should be about profit? Where’s the proper balance between making a profit and actually providing care for individuals?
I think I’m gonna need a 24% return. I had a single baby that cost $740,000 eleven years ago.
No kidding? Do you mind my asking how the bill got so high? I’ve heard of complicated pregancies and deliveries before, but yikes!