I am so sick of the damned fear-mongering.

Where was the Republican plan for Health coverage? The need has been there for many years.

I am amused when the right yells, “SOCIALISM”, when those same religious people follow a Jesus who was socialistic. He told a young man to sell what he had and give it to the poor. I would like to see just one of them doing just that!

I’m amused that the Right says they believe in Freedom™, but they are in fact anti-Freedom™.

They want to deprive Gay people of their civil rights.

They want to ensure that women do not have the freedom to decide how to handle their pregnancies.

They want to dilute the freedom of the People to choose their representatives by giving the influence to corporations with significant foreign ownership.

They want to deny the option of advanced medical techniques by prohibiting research.

They want to deny the freedom to choose one’s health care plan.

The Right is the Anti-Freedom Party.

Not true. They want you to have the freedom to worship any branch of Christianity you like.

A media that wants to keep the population unbalanced, it would seem. They( the fringe) have plenty of options for getting their message out, but only the mainstream media can make the masses take note. So, who chooses the stories they present as “news”?

Quibble: they want you to have the freedom to worship any branch of Christianity they like.

ditto

I think the O Admin spends too much too, but fuck the teabaggers. I’ve never seen such support NOT to reward ourselves and throw some money at ourselves instead of Iraq and other fun places. They make me so damn angry I’m gonna have a stroke. Hope they can pay for it!

I’d love to see someone with a baseball bat in D.C. smacking them one by one in the face with a Ted Williams kind of swing. Then when asked why he/she did this they can say, “What? They got insurance!” :smiley:

Where were they when we decided to start spending billions on Iraq?

Dunno, but I can tell you they weren’t in school…

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NEITHER THE PRESIDENT, NOR CONGRESS, IS PROPOSING THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE UP PRIVATE CARE!!!1111!2

Sorry about the big red font but I am just really so sick of all the damned fear-mongering.

Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos Nope it is an easy ploy to make people into suckers.
U.S. Grant said if a politician came down against a war ,once the people in charge start it, you will lose your career.
Only we can protect you and your family works very well. Even if your governments actions make you less safe, it takes a lot of guts to stand up to them.
Fear has always worked.

I don’t get why the right gets to rally around 9/11 or the issue of national security in general. 9/11 attacked NYC and DC, two Democratic strongholds. If we’re attacked again, it will almost certainly be in a blue part of the country; urban areas, the most likely targets by far, are blue.

NYC freaked, regrouped and went on, while half of the country seems to be quivering in their boots on the city’s behalf.

To be fair, their argument is that once the government care thing gets into motion, the “giving up of private care” is inevitable.

That, you can argue. But they DO know that there’s no direct proposal for the elimination of private care.

Why, is it because our present system sucks? The insurance companies can not compete if they feel a need to take 30 percent for administration and double premiums every 5 years. Isn’t competition what we love in America. Even though corporations hate it.

Why not go traditional?

They’re afraid you’ll pour it into their eyes and blind everyone. Unless it’s No More Tears – then they’re just overreacting.

I’ve got CNN on as usual (I always have something on, just for background noise) and they were interviewing some guy attending the big Washington TeaParty. One of the teabaggers (a real winner, too!) is being interviewed about health insurance and socialism and such. And once again, he drags out the whole, “people who don’t have health insurance – they can go to the emergency room!” For a stubbed toe. Jesus wept.

Yeah, there are no private security companies, no private package delivery companies, no private schools of any kind…

Fair enough. I understand that some people fear that once this gets started it will become more progressive and more-inclusive as time goes by. However, I do not believe that there will ever come a time that there will be NO private health insurance available for those who wish to spend their money on it. If there is a market, there will be a provider.

Sure, it might not really be necessary, but some folks always prefer to have something shinier and better than their neighbors. In this case, that will be super-fancy-luxury private health insurance that guarantees 24-hour instant access to the top 17 heart surgeons in the USA. And all for only $75,000 a month!

Their argument against gay marriage is that once the gay marriage thing gets into motion, it will inevitably become legal soon afterward for a man to marry a pineapple. The argument against gun registration is that it will inevitably lead to gun confiscation.

The problem with the modern conservative movement is that you can only apply the slippery slope argument/fallacy to a certain number of issues.

Hillarycare, IIRC, actually proposed penalties for anyone trying to get private care, as well as more severe penalties for physicians who would provide it. In Canada, it is illegal for private care clinics to treat conditions covered by the government, and to the extent that private care clinics do exist they are criticized for taking doctors from away from the government program and creating even longer wait times. (Also, CC, there are no private letter-delivery companies, are there? Know why that is?)

Then there’s also the fact that the same people who are pushing for government health care are also generally the same people who are so irked that some people have money while others don’t, and they will want to make damn sure that people don’t get better or quicker treatment just because they have damn money.

And yes, the fear (and the assumption) is that once a government plan goes into effect it will only be a matter of time before it grows and grows and becomes a great deal more than is being proposed now. Lawmakers and politicians know this and they use it to their advantage. I attended a meeting once in which the passage of seat belt laws in my state was being discussed. The idea was, in bringing it to a vote, to exempt pickup trucks from seat belt requirements. This because surveys had shown a near 50/50 split on public support for seat belt laws, and because they knew that if pickup trucks were exempted, pickup truck drivers would be more likely to vote in favor of the new law. Then, once the law was into effect, they could change it later to include all vehicles. Worked like a charm.

Look at what Social Security was at its inception and what it is today. Look at how little of our money it was supposed to require then vs. how much it requires today. Look at how Congress has raided its coffers and used the money for other things. Look at the utterly miserable return one gets for the money they paid into the program all their working lives.

Look at Medicare, where the only people who like it are people who would have nothing otherwise. I don’t know a single person on Medicare who likes it at all compared with the medical coverage they had during their working lives. Coverage is minimal and red tape-laden and they have trouble finding doctors who are willing to accept Medicare’s low fees, restrictions and red tape.

The fact of the matter is that once government gets its foot in the door in terms of new programs, it’s only a matter of time until those programs grow and grow and turn into things that were never proposed at the programs’ inception.

Speaking of FUD…

Elmer?