There’s boatloads of horror stories to choose from when it comes to judges, no question about that.
My experience has made me very wary, but as far as the appeals panel goes, I take comfort in the fact that not only do they have excellent reputations, especially the presiding justice, who is one of the three considering my case, but there are three, so it’s very difficult to imagine a consensus on coming up with some kind of illogical bullshit just to avoid reversing the judgment. Even if two of them want to, the third will have to say hold the phone. I hope.
But the only aspect of my case I feel is genuinely impossible to affirm on any grounds is the denial of my buyout right itself. What decisions they make about how that affects everything else, or how they view and rule on everything else… I can only hope.
I’m sorry she lost on all counts, she had invested so much of herself in this. She might have suspected that something was wrong with her case as she presented it to us-- especially after being asked very pointed questions by lawyers on this thread. Pride goeth before a fall, once again.
Though I read every word of this thread, I confess that I could only make heads or tails of it once I’d read the Appellate Court ruling.
I hope you find some closure with this ruling, Stoid, and move on with your life.
Why is anybody sorry? She was arrogant and foolhardy and wrong. Why should anyone be sorry that an appeals court made the correct decision? I read the appeal, and she was blown out of the water on every point, not the least of which because she didn’t know what she was doing (the decision says more than once that the Court is not obligated to do her research for her), and also because she was either unable or unwilling to understand the law. Every lawyer told her this would be the outcome, and it wasn’t because they were trying to hurt her, but because they were trying to warn her.
I see no reason to be sympatheic. She’s a victim of nothing but her own stubborn hubris, and misplaced self-righteousness and inability to listen to well-intentioned advice.
The system worked. Justice prevailed. The right side won. What’s to be sorry about?
You can be sorry that somebody failed in an endeavor, even if you didn’t agree with its purpose. This is a typically subtle human contradiction which you have repeatedly demonstrated being utterly unable to comprehend.
I don’t get this at all. Her endeavor was wrong. Why would I support somebody being wrong or be sorry if they fail?
I probably wouldn’t comment if she hadn’t been so bloody arrogant and self-righteous about this the whole time. She clearly never had any legitimate complaint at all.
I feel compassion for people for all kinds of reasons all the time, maybe even if they’re tilting at windmills, but I don’t feel compassion for people just because they’re tilting at windmills. That makes no sense. Especially if they’re so insufferably sanctimonious about it.
I share and recognize some of the traits I charged Stoid with. I know what it’s like to get up a head of righteous steam, not listen to reason and to think I’m smarter than everybody in the room, but I don’t expect anybody to feel sorry for me when I end up getting knocked on my ass, nor do I deserve it.
My skull is not quite so thick that every lawyer in the world telling me the same thing about the system would not eventually penetrate before I ever got as far as Stoid did, though.
Were you hoping for the Court to make an incorrect decision?
No, I was hoping against hope that some part of what she claimed would make sense to the Court.
BTW, I just realized that I wrote that I read this entire thread, but I also read the other thread she posted on the same topic. I was dismayed that she didn’t listen to the feedback people gave her. As I am not a lawyer, I had nothing to add to the discussions.
I wonder if Stoid will go on believing that you don’t have to be a lawyer to represent yourself effectively.
Good call, Twickster, but I will say that anybody who has been following this saga, and who knows how to do legal research should be able to find it easily enough. I found the appellate case about a week or two ago, and have been watching for the decision.
I do. While my own feelings as a lawyer were that she would not be successful, I saw no need to rub it in. It is bad enough that an appellant does not succeed, but in the appeals I have experience with, when both sides are represented, even the winning side will extend their hand later to the other side and say the equivalent of “Good game.” She did not, nor will she have, that comfort from the other side in this matter. In return for her sharing her legal travails with us on this board, I think we (and especially us lawyers) ought to extend our hands figuratively and say, “Good game.” I certainly do.
I have read the decision and (once I had familiarized myself with the various Codes and Rules and caselaw) I agree with the legal reasoning in it. That does not stop me from saying to Stoid, “you put up a good fight.” She may have been unrepresented, but she did the best she could, and if her arguments were not on point, then she at least caused the Court of Appeal to think, and reason, and judge. It is apparent from the decision that they did not dismiss the matter out of hand. That may be small comfort, Stoid, but do take comfort in the fact that you made them think.
For now, Stoid, if you can stand a little not-legal advice, I’d suggest this: Move forward. Put this behind you. Yes, there will be fallout of some sort from this, but deal with it, and move forward as you can. You must have local friends; rely on them. Family may help too (remember, we don’t know your personal circumstances). Regardless, don’t dwell on the past–and realize that all this is now in the past–and look to the future. I wish you all the best.
That’s too bad, I’d hoped she’d get something out of it - been lurking in this a while.