Boooo! After reading 6 pages I want to see the ending.
Jeez, me too. Someone post a redacted version!
Because most people care more about people than what is right or wrong. You don’t have to add support, but the non-sanctimonious thing to do is show empathy. Not doing so comes across as you having a personal problem with that person.
While I understand why people were mad at Stoid, I still was hoping that, even if her argument wasn’t great, there’d be something about it that would cause the judge to have the trial redone. It’s quite clear that she’s gone through a lot of shit over all this, and I hoped it would not be so completely fruitless.
It’s really not that hard a concept if you don’t try to force everything into a right/wrong context, which you have a tendency to do.
To simplify:
I don’t care whether she was right or wrong. I don’t care that she couldn’t admit she was wrong. I care that she is a human being, and has just been dealt a blow. It will hurt her, and I don’t like seeing anyone hurt. Despite it being really unlikely, I hoped that something we missed might have helped her.
This.
She faced Hobson’s choice. Convinced that she was on the wronged side, but unable to afford representation, she undertook a task that not many people would try. Quite frankly, I would not have, and I am a lawyer. Yes, I say this aware of the pitfalls of representing yourself, but also because I know little about California law and little enough about corporate law. I would have had to learn, from scratch, boatloads of information, not just the relevant law but a whole bunch of other law just to able to judge if it was relevant. She chose to roll up her sleeves and dive in, and – as I said above well before the decision came out – that’s courage, and it’s admirable, and she did a hell of a job in the attempt.
She was saying that, despite how she treated people in the beginning, certain posters were out of line to claim they couldn’t help her due to worry about being sued for malpractice, and really were just doing it because they were mad at her, and she wanted them to admit it. She used her experience with other lawyers who did not know of the first incident who did try to help her as evidence.
And I can see her arguments, as some posts even in this thread seem to be full of glee that she failed (or, before it was known, would fail). If it really was about not forming an attorney-client relationship (as she claimed they claimed in that thread), why would people be happy she lost?
I believe she had every right to Pit people for that perceived hostility. Just like you guys have had the right to pit her for her hostility against you.
Finally, I leave you with one last thought:
People say stupid things when they are angry. Whodathunkit?
She wasn’t treated unfairly, and she didn’t put up a good fight. Most of her points were dismissed out of hand (I don’t see where they had to think about anything, they just keep saying she failed to provide evidence or make an argument, and that her complaints merit no more discussion).
I don’t see where she was wronged anywhere along the way. All of her wounds were self-inflicted.
Aside from that – and this is the part that really prevents me from being sympathetic – she constantly (and WRONGLY) attacked and impugned the integrity and motives of other judges and lawyers involved in the case. She was a poor sport, she was unprofessional, and she was abusive to people who were trying to help her. She made sympathy very difficult. I’ve never had anything against Stoid, and still really don’t, but as nasty and full of herself as she’s been throughout this little epic, I’m having a hard time why we’re supposed to feel bad for her.
It’s not like she’s been diagnosed with cancer, she lost a civil suit. If she’d listened to professionals, she would have been out a lot less money and effort a long time ago.
The ruling contains the following:
The redacted version is that the appellate court said the same thing every lawyer on the SDMB said.
I am sorry for your disappointment and loss, Stoid, and my prayers are that you are able to move on with your life.
Regards,
Shodan
I’m sorry, Stoid. I’m not going to say I thought you had the correct attitude about this whole thing, but I did hope you’d win.
Now I hope you’re able to put this behind you. I’m not sure I could, given what was taken from you, but there it is.
Stoid,
Though your quest fell short you should take pride in not being afraid to take on the challenge. I hope this provides closure for you.
This thread, her previous threads, and now the judgement from the Court of Appeal.
No kudos for pressing forward with the legal matter rather than getting on with life, no kudos for alleging judicial bias against someone properly doing their job, and certainly no kudos for shitting all over the lawyers on the Dope.
Is this the end of the road, or will you be taking it further?
To the Supreme Court!
Ha! Ha! Yes, hilarious.
And that’s hilarious because you would have known that footnote 11 in Reed v. Mutual Service Corp., 106 Cal.App.4th 1359 (2003) says that issues not raised in an appellant’s opening brief are deemed waived. So I can easily see how laughing now makes, you know, perfect sense, and all.
Seriously. This is not the Pit, so how about laying off? She did what she thought was best. It didn’t work out. Let he who without fuckups among us cast the first snark.
I thought it was both funny and appropriate.
This may come as a complete shock to you, but Stoid and I have something in common: neither of us are lawyers. So, no, unlike you, I did not know that. Nor was I serious, so it works out.
Is that a joke?
No, it’s sarcasm.
It was obvious you weren’t serious, but it wasn’t clear to me that whether your comment was intended to suggest that Stoid’s efforts thus far were similarly quixotic.
In simpler terms: I thought you were poking fun at Stoid, and was pointing out that you had no particular room to do so.
I know. But I think you’re being too harsh.
At least for now. It’s likely best to allow some distance right now.
Yup. My advice to Stoid is go and have that drunken party anyway, and come back to this in a few days.