I believe Jose Canseco

The BBQ Pit
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I’m no fan of Canseco’s. From everything I’ve heard and read he’s one of most gigantic assholes ever to make a Sportscenter highlight package. I think his motives are purely pecuniary. I don’t think he’s brave or heroic or worthy of praise.

But I think he’s telling the truth about steroids in MLB. I believe him that McGuire was juiced (have you seen him lately? He’s shrunk ala Giambi). I believe that Canseco shot up with Palmeiro and Pudge Rodriguez. I think steroid use is widespread and rampant in MLB and that all those gaudy homerun records are taunted by it.

I’m getting just a bit sick of all the hypocritical indignation and moral outrage I’ve heard coming from players and the sports media about Canseco “selling out” his teammates and “betraying their loyalties.” Fuck that. They’re CHEATERS and, cheaters need to be exposed, not protected.

It’s too bad that somebody as disreputable as Jose Canseco has to be the one to do this…I’d prefer come from somebody with the credibility and clean reputation of a Tony Gwynn but even so, I think Canseco is telling the truth. I think the use of steroids in baseball has been painfully obvious to the public for years and that repeated denials by players just insults our intelligence.
As far as I’m concerned the record is still 61.

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I believe him too.

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I couldn’t care less if they were juicing or not. I think this is much ado about nothing.

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Without the native talent, steroid use is meaningless.

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I couldn’t care less if they were shaving points or not.

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Hey dude, LTNS.

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Well, yeah, Ils. But . . . so?

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I couldn’t care less if they used Vaseline on the ball or not.

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What up? I was without a connection for two months.

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They do. Just because Gaylord Perry, Joe Niekro, Kevin Gross, and a few others were caught doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen. Don’t kid yourself. Everyone cheats. Even the groundskeepers.

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They do. Just because Gaylord Perry, Joe Niekro, Kevin Gross, and a few others were caught doesn’t mean that it doesn’t still happen. Don’t kid yourself. Everyone cheats. Even the groundskeepers.

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So why, assuming you’re a baseball fan, don’t you care?

Or do you draw a distinction between a spitball and juicing? They’re both cheating, no?

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I was at an As game when I was a tyke and I saw a pop fly bounce off of Canseco’s head and bounce over the fence for a home run.

I honestly don’t think the guy is intelligent enough to lie :slight_smile:

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Canseco must be more talented than we thought considering he was playing for the Rangers at the time.

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Even Bernie Williams? I’d like to think he’s of the cleanest-cut players we have today. :frowning:

Adam

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ahhh, was Nolan Ryan with the rangers then? because I lived in the bay area and Nolan was my idol

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And if they get caught they get in trouble - fined and possibly suspended. Just 'cause it happens doesn’t make it right, or acceptable. Do you believe cheating is acceptable, or merely unstoppable?

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I knew it! No chemically-unenhanced groundskeeper could have cut that Red Sox logo into the outfield!

Seriously, though, put me down as a “not buying the whole story.” Canseco claims he was injecting stuff into Mark McGwire’s butt. (Pause while we get that one out of our system.) Even Canseco’s defenders say he was hated in the clubhouse. Do you think McGwire would let himself get juiced by Canseco? (I know…sorry.)

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In Cleveland. On May 26th, 1993. The ball was hit by Carlos Martinez.

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Even if we were to place the use of anabolic steroids on the same level as “wink wink” ball doctoring (which I don’t), I still think it’s insulting and hypocritical for the players to react with such phony “how dare you” shock and indignation whenever they get accused of it.
Did anybody NOT know Giambi was on the juice? Does anyone not know Bonds was on it?

Cheating is one thing but they don’t need act like the whistleblowers are the assholes when the truth comes out.