I Canada joined the U.S., how would the party systems fit together?

So I’ve heard. And a lot of Jurassic fossils, too! :slight_smile:

Shared roots are tremendously important, but we have to look at where we are today, and where we want to go in the future. Socially, neither Canada nor the USA are the countries they were a couple of hundred years ago (forgetting for a moment that Canada was not a country back then anyway), or even fifty years ago. The social gap has grown over the years.

Try this on. Would the USA happily merge with England, or if they were merged, would you not expect the former USA to use it’s new-found legislative rights in England to re-adjust English legislation in favour of the former USA?

Yup. A Jurassic provincial park.

Time for a hot tub and a movie, after putting the neighbours’ animals to bed for the night. The neighbours are on vacation in Cuba for a week.

Very very boring. Pretty, but boring.

Yes, but you have les gens d’Hull as neighbors.

Quebec was not obtained *by Canada *by conquest. Quebec entered Canada though peaceful, political decisions.

Yes, actually. If the federal government tries to take Alberta’s oil without paying for it again, we would be seriously talking secession.

Canada was obtained from France by conquest by Great Britain in 1760, as formalized by the Treaty of Paris in 1763. Assimilation following La guerre de la Conquête failed, and Great Britain wanted its French subjects to be loyal to the Crown in its budding dispute with the 13 colonies, so in 1774 the Quebec Act tremendously expanded the size of Quebec and restored civil law for private matters (while keeping common law for public administration, criminal law which is public by nature, and public international law). George Washington invaded and was repelled. So many loyalists fled from the 13 colonies that the Province of Quebec had to be divided into Lower Canada and Upper Canada due to the friction between the French and the English populations. Lower Canada tried to secede in 1838 but failed, which resulted in the Act of Union of 1840 which merged Lower Canada and Upper Canada into the Province of Canada. Dissent continued, such that upon Confederation in 1867, the Province of Canada was divided into Quebec and Ontario at the same time the Dominion of Canada was formed with other colonies. Since then, Quebec has gone through the Quiet Revolution, the nationalization of power companies by the province, murderous terrorist separatists, provincial governments determined to gain sovereignty, two referenda on sovereignty, three refusals to consent to the Canadian constitution (1982 patriation, Meech Lake and Charlottetown), the formation of a federal separatist political party that was courted to form a coalition federal government, federal recognition that Quebec is a distinct sociey, a declaration by the Quebec legislature that the people of Quebec form a nation, and federal recognition that the Quebequoise form a nation within a united Canada.

Bottom line. From the French – we were taken by conquest, that’s fucked up, and all the negotiating since then has not changed this underlying fact. From the aboriginal Indians – we were taken by sharp practices, that’s fucked up, and all the negotiating since then has not changed this underlying fact.

And compare that with what France has gone through in the same period . . . I recall the story of a guy who asked for the French Constitution at the British Museum Library and was told “We do not carry periodicals.” Something in the French national character or something . . .

They’re les gens de Gatineau now.

Actually, the Canadian liberals would be considered as socialists, and the Canadian conservatives would likely vote for the democrats or vice-verse with Americans voting conservative.

Our political spectrum is much more shifted to the left than yours is. Our conservatives are more similar to your dems than repubs.

I bet the democrats would start to gain more consistent hold than the republicans, and you would be essentially turned into a one party system. I assume when saying this that people would vote strategically instead of voting for the liberal party/NDP, but that is always a possibility.

Quebec would become its own country. They are already incredibly unhappy with Canada (still talks of separating, separatists were elected in the last provincial election) and I can only see that getting worse in the states. Quebec is extremely focused on social equity and would not fit into the new America at all. And I mean this under any circumstance. They find Canada as not caring nearly enough about social programs.

Just in case other posters here are not aware of the hyperbole here - there is still bitter hatred of the National Energy Program of the 1970’s (small children are still taught in pre-school that it was the work of the devil):

The National Energy Program (NEP) was brought in by Ottawa in the 70’s as a reaction to the oil crisis and the rapid increase in the price of oil. Alberta has oil, and they were booming while the industrial base in Ontario and Quebec was suffering. The NEP essentially set the price of domestic oil artificially low, which meant that the manufacturing industries of Ontario and Quebec were insulated against the oil price shock, while the oil industry of Alberta did not have such record profits.
Essentially, it forced provinces to equalize for the benefit of all.

This did not make the people of Alberta happy, as they were enjoying the record profits.

So… to this day, some folks in Alberta honestly believe that Ottawa was “taking Alberta’s oil without paying for it”, when in fact they were trying to prevent the collapse of manufacturing in the eastern part of the country due to the rapid increase in world oil prices.

Casinos.

Duh.

Canadians gambling?!! :p:p:p It is to laugh!