I feel like Einstein's neighbor

Have you evey tangentially brushed up against greatness? I have an acquaintence that’s performing a job for me, it’s something he used to do for a living, but now does as a hobby and small stream of income while Doing Greater Things.

He makes some claims that, on the surface, are pretty hard to swallow (Star Trek-change-the-world type stuff. I’m being intentionally vague.) but you look around at the stuff he has, and the stuff he does, and you just can’t dismiss it.

It’s like being Einstein’s neighbor. You know, you talk to him about the weather, he borrows your edge trimmer, he causually mentions his progress on the Grand Unification Theory. Sure is fascinating to watch from the sidelines.

It kinda makes you think. Most of the great people of history do the same stuff you do, 80% of the time.

Hey, someone must be doing the work, I know I’m not…
I worked with a Nobel laureate for 2 years. He was just a guy… Albiet, a smart guy, but still just just a guy.

There are many more people that seem like Einstein than people that are like Einstein.

I worked through the derivation of E=mc^2 in school, which doesn’t even require calculus if you can grasp the idea of limits. To follow this really just requires a good command of high school math. But the beauty of thinking of doing it this way. the beauty of recognizing what faulty assumptions we had always made before, was a stunning thing, that has since brought me misty eyes. I don’t know quite where to begin, to think to do what he did.

But there are all sorts of people that sort of toss words around and seem smart. If you were really living near another Einstein, the stream of brilliant people coming to his door would tip you off right away.

Well, that’s the point. They guy appears to be walking the walk. Looking at the way he lives (and I’ve been in and out of his life for the past three or four years now) The guy couldn’t be doing the things he’s doing if he were full of it. (One really minor example - How many people do you know that could afford $35,000 worth of torque wrenches? 3000 ft-lb, 5000 ft-lb, digital, recording, vibrating, if they make a torque wrench, he’s got it, and they take up about 5% of a wall chock full of seirously esoteric toolage.)

On the other hand, if you want to feel like Einstein, go browse the Fox American Idol bulletin boards. I go there just for the thrill of being the smartest person in the room.

Make sure he knows that being a genius doesn’t give him the right to not return your tools.

>How many people do you know that could afford $35,000 worth of torque wrenches?

I’m a relative of Madonna Ciccone, the famous singer. I bet she could afford a hundred times that in torque wrenches. Where were you going with this approach?

But would she WANT to, and would it be relevant to her business?

The issues isn’t the ability to afford it, I know folks that own provat jets…I do NOT know anyone that owns a cyclotron.

I also wouldn’t be so presumptuous as to give out details of his life without permission. I’m just commenting on brushing up against brilliance.

You don’t? Strange. Must just be a weird neighborhood I live in.

Serious? You’re related to Madonna? Do you know her well?

Sorry. I’ve just worshipped her for a long time . . . :slight_smile:

Madonna? Well, you caught me - I don’t actually know her, but I am related to her, because my wife is a distant cousin of her mother, as is Celine Dione (did I spell that right?), who I think sang a theme song for a movie about the Titanic. Thought that might slip in under the radar in a sort of “know of” substitute for “know” kind of a way.

Glad you like Madonna. I think she has a very pretty girl voice, though a film I saw of her jumping around on stage was kind of dismaying. How about a band called “Good Charlotte”? One of those young men is from the same extended family. I don’t know who they are, though, except as relatives.

So. Talent is in some ways a whimsical thing, isn’t it?

Now - what kind of brilliant work can anybody do with all those torque wrenches? I mean, torque per se doesn’t run all that deep, though if you want to think of it as a combination of force and length, there is plenty to be said about each of those.

I think you’re missing the thrust of my statement, Napier. I’ll try to express this a little more clearly.

This is a person that looks at a very small aspect of life and the physical world and is extending human knowledge. He’s not pushing paper, he’s not padding his retirement. He’s looking at certain things that people have said can’t be done and is doing it…several levels higher than the ordinary Joe would operate at.

In one field, he’s actively improving things in a hobby he’s interested in. In another field, he has an expertise that is making ends meet, and in a third field, he’s futzing with stuff of Sci-Fi.

Now, I can’t claim to know if the third area is ACTUALLY what he’s doing. But the evidence I’ve seen in the other two areas leads me to trust he’s doing what he claims to be doing.

Fair enough?

Be wary of assuming that someone who is knowledgeable, even brilliant, in one field is correct about everything else. Some examples for you:

Issac Newton was a chap who has had a little bit of celebrity in the fields of calculus and physics; you know, a few physical laws named after him, some theorems and standard notation named after him, et cetera. He was also known (though less popularly today) as a big enthusiast of alchemy, which is now widely recognized as complete bunk except by the likes of people who bring you the Flat Earth Society.

Nikola Tesla is well known for his experiments with creation and conduction of electricity. In fact, the three-phase power transmission method employed today in every commerical and residential power grid in the world is based upon his system of alternating current, despite vigorous opposition by Edison. Tesla is almost as well known, however, for some of his more crackpot ideas and claims. While Tesla was a great experimentalist and integrator, his grasp on the actual physical principles of his experiements was often shaky.

Bruce medalist (and overlooked for a Nobel prize awarded to Fowler and Chandrasekshar) astronomer Fred Hoyle made great contributions to astrophysics and cosmology. However, he was noted for his staunch opposition to Big Bang theory long past the point that it was accepted by the astronomy community (due to the discovery of the cosmic microwave background and the cosmic redshift). He also argued against the (now widely accepted) chemical evolution of life, arguing (from no evidence whatsoever) that life began by pansporidia (from viruses falling from space). He made repeated claims that pulsars were signals from other civilizations well after it was widely theorized that they were in fact natural phenomena.

Kary B. Mullis, who was the 1993 Nobel Laureate for Chemistry for is invention of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) which is used in most DNA matching tests. Mullis, however, has had a long history of bizarre and unfounded speculations, the most notorious of which is his claim that AIDS is not caused by the HIV virus. Although he has a small following on this issue, the vast majority of active researchers in the field of virology think he’s totally off his nut on this. In fact, most chemists regard his discovery/invention of PCR to be about the only viable thing he has ever produced in his career.

And as for Einstein: After a brief but fruitful period of innovation which turned the physics world upside down (or rather, without absolute reference whatsoever) he proceeded to blunder about, seeking a Theory of Everything for the next 30 years without success or conclusion. He considered his addition of a cosmological constant in GR to account for the expansion of the universe a big mistake, even though it now appears that there is in fact reason to believe that the “constant” is an appropriate correction.

Being smart doesn’t always make you right, especially about things in your own field and particularly about subjects outside of it. The problem with many brilliant people is that they get so used to being right (or accepted as being correct) in their own area of expertiese that they believe their own press and become arrogant about their opinions in general, even when their knowledge on the topic is completely unfounded (i.e. Hoyle and the possibility of extraterrestrial civiliziations.)

As for the OP, your neighborman may be an authority in the field he works in (hence, his possession of an extravant amount of tools) and may be knowledgable in areas outside his own field. Whether he is properly considered a genius, much less an innovator whose ideas and experiements will change the world is a matter for future history. Perhaps he is whipping up some device that will turn ordinary garbage into precious jewels, or a pill that wil make everyone happy and handsome, but I wouldn’t go betting the farm on it. It is easy to appear to be brilliant (one of my cow-orkers does it by attending a lot of meetings and repeating the most intelligent comments he hears in other meetings, which becomes obvious to those of us doing the actual work but sounds brilliant to the REMFs who think he’s come up with this stuff all on his own) but a true measure of genius is producing a result that nobody else thought of, and even then, one’s genius may be restricted to the subject at hand rather than assumed of all other opinions and hypotheses.

Stranger

And I am curious as to why you are “intentionally being vague”. While it’s true that much genuine innovation occurs out of the limelight, that is usually a result of the innovator in question not being represented in the research community of his field (Ramanujan) or being so soically obtuse that people don’t want to be around him (Tesla). Most innovators would, in fact, benefit from feedback and constructive criticism from the community at large, even after consideration of the more conservative elements circling their wagons. Pons and Fleishmann, for instance, would certainly have looked quite less foolish had other reserachers verified (or not, as it turns out) their results before they became a regular feature on the nightly news.

Stranger

This may sound really bizarre, but my Physics lecturer told me a week or two ago that Einstein didn’t derive E=mc^2 (like the same way Darwin didn’t call it Evolution) he just laid all the groundwork for someone else to find it. Anyone got the straightdope on this? I found this and this. which can be construed as such.

That alone means nothing to me. If my husband had the money, he’d have that much cash invested in torque wrenches and other ‘esoteric toolage’ (I love that phrase btw :)). Not that he’d actually need them. I think this proves that your neighbor is just a normal guy :slight_smile:

Stranger: Extremely impressive post! Thanks! And I’m certainly not betting the family nest egg on this guy. I’ve benefitted greatly from this guy’s knowledge in Automatic Transmissions. The ‘common knowledge’ is that if you’re making any significant horsepower, you use older 3 speed transmisisons as the current generation th400/4l60e’s cannot handle the load.

He’s successfully built transmissions living behind astronomical amounts of power that other’s said ‘couldn’t be done’. Based simply on his willingness to view the problem and produce parrts that fix the failure modes. There’s a categoricaly difference between the guy that ‘puts other peoples parts’ in a case and calls himself a tranny guy, and another who creates the parts to do so.

Not great, not earth shattering, but he’s the top n-th percent of a small population of the world.

The other stuff he’s working on I’m intentionally vague on because it WOULD be easy for him to be completely wrong on the subject. My gut instincts are that he’s GOTTA be full of it…and yet I see his accomplishments in transmission work and cars and I wonder.

Yeah, but, transmissions aren’t conceptually difficult, they are just complicated. It takes loads of skilled work to design a reliable, cheap, useable transmission. It doesn’t take any genius, though. It just takes, well, a willingness to keep viewing the problem and producing parts that fix the failure modes. If anybody says that can’t be done, they aren’t much worth listening to.

Stranger on a Train said very well, and very nicely, what I was just being cute and obnoxious about. Hats off to SoaT. Sorry I was being a dip.

I’m a physicist and an inventor, and some people around me have said I’m some kind of genius, but I’m not. I’m a very average physicist and inventor, and people not in the field really wouldn’t have much idea, for the same reason I really can’t tell how good my dentist really is. But it’s obvious to me that some people really love playing the part of a genius (OK, sometimes I do too, sorry). Some of your descriptions sound like that. None of them sound like Einstein or even someone that unusual. Maybe he’s the cleverest guy on the block, but maybe not. The torque wrench example just sounds like a silly obsession, because it is so hard to imagine anything really stimulating or interesting about a zillion versions of a simple hand tool. Maybe you could discover something surprising about hands or language if you studied pens and pencils of many cultures, but torque wrenches? The next time you are feeling skeptical about your neighbor, know that somehow through the ether I’m egging you on.

He also believe the reason our noses point downwards was so that we couldn’t be infected by space germs.

Having been around some very smart people and some people who wanted very much to seem smart, phrases like “they said it couldn’t be done but I did it” and “The establishment doesn’t understand my work” tend to fall very much into the latter category.

I think the question here is definition of brilliance. Napier, I’m not gonna convince you one way or the other, and I’m not going to continue to try - it’s a hopeless cause, and there’s nothing more cynical than an anonymous Internet poster.

There are many smart people, there are many leaders in their field, this guy is one of 'em…in three fields. He’s got his quirks and ideosyncrasies, but I admire his talents. That is all.