I Hate that Mothefucking Cocksucker Thomas Kinkade & Refuse to Pretend Otherwise

Ya know, I tell you what, Lucifer is every single fucking art teacher and art critic who abandoned the LOVE AND TEACHING OF ART, thus creating the vacuum into which Kinkade slithered.

So many people have been damaged by bad art teachers, it’s pathetic. I could tell you stories. And the critics who celebrate the latest turd-on-a-stick have got only themselves to blame.

What’s so fucking wrong with wanting to be a competent painter? You’d think it was a crime. Realists take a lot of crap from peers.

Try Barry Moser’s map of hell from here (sorry I didn’t include before):
http://www2.carthage.edu/departments/english/dante/Index.html

I just saw bits of a Kinkaid “special” while channel surfing the other day. And I thought “hmmm, wonder how long it’s going to be before someone pits him”?

I don’t get why the rage? I am not an art critic, and what I know about art wouldn’t fill a thimble. I’m aware that by the “true” art standards he’s not an artist and that his “work” is laughed at and mocked frequently.

But I know what appeals to me, and I know that there is a lot of “real” art (Picasso for example) that looks as if a kindergartner puked up fingerpaints onto a canvas and called it good, that people have just been in AWE over forever and THAT I don’t get.

Okay, so it it’s ugly (and give me a break, those cross-eyed multi-colored people of Picasso’s are UGLY!!!), but has “good use of color and depth” it’s art, but if it’s pretty, and not “hip” it’s not?

(And don’t forget about that cross in a glass of pee that was supposed to be “fresh” and “brilliant” and “real art”.

Okay, so Kinkaid’s stuff is all of the same subject matter. I see his paintings and I think “what a pretty place, I’d like to live or at least take a walk near there,” not a rage-filled “OH my GOD, how DARE that man call himself an artist, that HaCK@!! He should die, ARrrgggh”.

I guess what I’m saying is how does the fact that he’s not a “real” artist hurt anyone? OR make those of you in this thread so murderously angry?

Kinkade’s paintings would be better if they featured more Robocop!

Please tell me I’m being wooshed. I refuse to believe otherwise.

PS, no I don’t own any of his stuff, it doesn’t go with my decor.

Did Kinkade study under Bob Ross? “Happy trees, happy trees!” Barf.

Separated at birth? :smiley:

Nametag, the whale guy’s name is Ryland. No, I won’t provide any links.

Blasphemy!

Do NOT dis Bob Ross!

Guess I should step up to this since I am the one who started foaming. CS, I paraphrased & numbered, hopefully w/out distorting your meaning.

  1. That’s part of the problem - and the reason why bad teachers fall to the lowest depth of hell in my book.

  2. I think you’re thinking of Jackson Pollock (“Jack the Dripper”) who did the messy work. Don’t have enough time to discuss him here.

What you should know about Picasso is that he mastered, really truly mastered representational drawing at about age 10. His adult work went off in wild directions b/c he kept growing.

Before you decide what you think of him, take a look at “Guernica” - think Iraq, and it’ll knock you on your ass. Also look at some of his realistic portraits. I saw a pastel while in Florence, I was ready to check it for a pulse. Not because it was completely detailed, but b/c he’d drawn, in a simple way, exactly what was needed to create a powerful presence. If cubism isn’t your think, no prob. The fact that Picasso did so much, so well, in new ways that no one had ever thought of before is why he’s held in such high regard. That Kinkade would mention his own name in the same sentence is an abomination.

  1. Some of them were meant to be - he wasn’t so crazy about his lovers once things cooled down (I’ll defend his art; his misogyny is outside this forum). But as a general explanation, using odd colors has to do with creating space on the canvas and eliciting an emotional response.

Consider that color by itself speaks volumes. Step up really close to a painting and you’ll see that the colors used combine to create an effect that looks quite different from a few paces away. Chuck Close is a wonderful artist who does amazing things with color relationships.

  1. That’s “Piss Christ” by Andreas Serrano. It’s not actually my favorite - although I understand the Catholic church was fine with it. (something about preserving fluids) (I kid you not - ck out “Art News” from a few years back)

Again, you need to see the work in person. I’ve seen some of his other photographs and again, they have a powerful presence. I’m not going to say that he deserves all of the attention he got, there’s plenty of other people at his level out there who aren’t getting noticed. Shock value drowns out other voices (back to point 1 about bad critics + lousy teachers = Lucifer).

  1. It makes me murderously angry to have something really shitty celebrated as a standard. You’ve seen Kinkade’s work. Who else have you seen? That’s what’s just WRONG. I’m sick of art being marginalized.

It’s like Kinkade is the McDonald’s of art, only people don’t realize it & they think he’s the fine cuisine you pay top dollar for. Gag. Except I enjoy an occasional Big Mac & make wretching noises when I pass the Kinkade store at our mall.

You should have a word with our very own Jinwicked. She has some … interesting things to say about Mr Kinkade.

I believe the problem that many people have with Kinkade is not so much his subject matter, his technique, or even his fame, but that he cranks out thousands of reproductions and markets them as though they were originals. Adding a few splashes of paint onto what is essentially a poster print and then selling them for thousands of dollars is, in the minds of his critics, tantamount to fraud. I’m sure that, if pressed, he and his agents can pull out weasel words and disclaimers and whatnot to say that, no, they’re not misrepresenting his goods and that they’re only charging what a free market is willing to bear, but that sure isn’t the impression you get from the breathless advertising.

No man, by using the word “Asian” we impact the self-actualizing anima of our brothers and sisters with negative toxicity. Holistic healing will be needed before we can all have wellness. :cool:

You know what? You lined it out perfectly for me. Yes, I can understand (being into dance, and having it denigrated and made fun of) how a person, like yourself who DOES know something about art would get annoyed at someone like Kinkaid.

Funny, though I’ve always liked the pretty cottages and sea scenes, I understood on some level that he WAS like the “kmart” level of art, even though it is pretty and even though I am not well versed in art.

Good follow-on rant!! Thanks for explaining.

Well, I had feeling mentioning Parrish and Rockwell was going to raise some hackles. Hey, I actually find both of them rather interesting, but I think it’s perfectly fair to lump them in with Kincade for the thematic sameness and the relentlessly market-driven nature of much of their work.

Hey, anyway, I think Warhol can be fairly placed in this group as well. Sure he was ironic about it, but in the end I believe his work was as much about mass marketing as it was anything else.

It doesn’t, for me at least. I don’t get upset about fads for things, like, say, the old Farrah Fawcett posters, and I consider Kinkade’s work to have about as much real content. I will say, however, that if I really wanted to get upset about Kinkade, it would be because seen the work of innumerable artists who create works of interest and deserve greater attention from the public.

Hey, I’m sympathetic with people who feel that much of contemporary art is too cerebral or abstracted from reality for them, but I believe that it is a mistake to assume, as you apparently do, that the purpose of art is provide you with pleasant, non-threatening, content-free possessions to hang on the wall.

There’s certainly plenty of crap to go around in contemporary art, and it is an unavoidable fact that the entire conceptual wing of art seems to have become almost irreparably divorced from the interest of much its potential audience. Nevertheless, I’d much rather see an exhibition of failed works by an artist who was trying something different, than anything by Kinkade and his ilk.

I’ll just mention here that I’ve currently got a couple of pleasant, competent, low-content paintings hanging in my living room, but I have them because they were created by my mother, and one of them in particular greatly influenced the themes of my own photography, athough I did not realize it initially. Kinkade, OTOH, does nothing that strikes any personal connection in me.

One final comment:

The furor over “Piss Christ”, Robert Mapplethorpe’s photos of gay sex acts and such things as Damien Hirst’s sectioned animals has never had a whole lot to do with any significant trends in art, and each of these artists, with the possible excpetion of Hirst, is considered fairly minor at this time. In each case, the fuss was mainly the creation of persons who were ready and willing to be outraged and was hyped incessantly by the media. I think there are actually very few serious and honest artists who consider outrage simply for outrage’s sake to be much more than a stylistic dead end.

Jeepers, God knows what you’d think if you ever saw Jeff Koons’ porn-inspired tableaux with Ciccolina.

Hunh, sorry to hijack this joyful bash-fest into a Great Debate.

All art is a crock. It’s all totally bullshit, and it has to stop.

People like what they like, and it shouldn’t cost anyone more than a few hundred bucks to own any particular original piece.

Art as Investment is the biggest disgusting joke of them all.

So is “European” also verbotten? I guess “European” would be considered to show a lack of understanding about the different and varied cultures and we should call each person by their individual country? :wink:

All this vitriol over something as subjective as an artists work? Remember the statement…“I may not know art, but I know what I like.”

It’s seem’s you have something deeper bothering you.

I love jigsaw puzzles. But not the ones you get at WalMart with the tired same-ole-same-ole landscapes and seascapes. I like the ones that are a challenge - unusual artwork, off-beat shapes, or some sort of “gimmick” that requires me to spend days assembling it instead of mere hours.

Alot of my friends don’t understand this, and they bring me the plain ole MiltonBradley WalMart landscapes.

But, a puzzle is still a puzzle, so I work them.

I was in the middle of one of those when a friend came by, saw my puzzle, and exclaimed "I loveThomas Kinkade!. Up until then I had never heard of him, but since then I have come to the conclusion that my little story sums it up: Jigsaw Puzzle Art.

I love you for this one. :smiley:

Whoooaaa, slow down there!!! I “apparently feel” that art’s purpose is for me to hang it on my wall? Wow, where did I say that???

I merely disagree that art has to have some deep artsy fartsy “meaning” to be considered worth while art, or attractive.

And I’m afraid I disagree that “threatening, or deep intense content” of paintings or art = cerebral.