I don’t believe that this is what this thread is about. Having a legitimate disability does not make one immune from also being a total asshole, and while accommodating disabilities of all sorts is right and proper (and in most cases a legal requirement), one shouldn’t use said disability as a tool to defraud.
The problem is with some places and people let a lot of disabled kids grow up thinking this, especially ones with mental issues because it gets put under "well all you can do is try to mitigate the bad behavior/damage because other than medication there’s not much you can do "
like the girl in math class that was in a car wreck and had brain damage to the point she couldn’t do most of her favorite subject and coupled with rage issues have a total meltdown with chairs and such being thrown because she couldn’t figure out a math problem, a 4th grader could solve …So they kept her in the class but bade her a teachers aide and just gave her busy work to do Now imagine that same girl being 5 and entering school for the first time …
I have legitimate disabilities (moderate cerebral palsy and learning visibility) went to school before the ADA and what a pain in the ass it was … I have no “speed” to my walking and a lot of the time I was "locked out " of my classes so I was given a permanent hall pass which I admit as a teen I took advantage of.)… or I if I didn’t like a class or teacher I could call an IEP type of meeting to either change the class or have them explain why they had a problem with me which I also used to get out of a couple of classes I just didn’t want to take
I think it’s – at least in part – about unilaterally deciding what’s a reasonable accommodation for medical issues that – generally speaking – (the collective) you knows little to nothing about.
There has been a lot of shade thrown at the OP…but nobody has said anything about why the OP is an asshole in regard to the cases described in the opening post.
That is what it is NOT about. Please reread the OP.
Agree to disagree.
How about agreeing to address the cases described in the OP, instead of making blanket “He hates disabled people!” type comments?
Unless the OP has the full facts about a person’s medical issues, the nature of their disability, and what is considered a reasonable accommodation, then I’m suggesting the original premise is quite likely flawed.
Most onlookers – including those who leave horrible notes on the windshield of “invisibly disabled” people who legally park in a handicapped space – jump to conclusions with nowhere near adequate information.
Which can cause all kinds of deleterious consequences.
As of yet, there’s only one that hasn’t. Considering it’s not about Trump/Republicans I had assumed we could all be civil.
Also, if they’re legitimately disabled, and covered by the ADA, then they do have legal protections.
What (the collective) you may be hearing is the fear they feel that asking for those reasonable accommodations may yet get them fired, forcing them to avail themselves of the ADA – likely nobody’s first choice.
All we can do is take him at his word at this point, or maybe directly question specific aspects of the cases presented. To assume that he is ignorant and/or wrong at the onset is itself ignorant and/or wrong, in my opinion. You can bring up a thousand cases where someone else did something else that isn’t even close to what is described in the OP, but that shouldn’t have any bearing on this topic.
Except it is not the collective that’s deciding. Usually it is an person with training and in my experience any accommodation requested by the person with a disability is unquestionably given unless clearly unreasonable.
Sincere beliefs can also be wrong.
Is it that objectionable to raise the general proposition that some of these assumptions are made with inadequate information?
Is that really equivalent to suggesting that “He hates disabled people!”
Really?
A Missouri man was on trial recently for murdering his girlfriend, her mother and two children. A defense psychiatrist testified that he has borderline personality disorder and was in a “dissociative state” at the time of the murders.
He should’ve gotten a disability accommodation first.
Including yours. What do you know about the OP’s training in these matters?
If this was a thread about ignorant people with no experience making uninformed opinions about people with disabilities, you might have a point. You refuse to address the OP’s case directly, and instead bring up unrelated stuff other people did in an indirect attack.
Really.
Really.
I don’t understand what you mean here - asking for a reasonable accommodation is availing yourself of the ADA. And under most circumstances, employers do not have to rescind disciplinary action or negative evaluations that happened prior to a request for accommodation. Not even if the employer knows of the disability - after all, just because I have a disability doesn’t mean I need an accommodation. So if I want an accommodation, I have to request it.
Unless I’m misreading something here, I agree with Czarcasm. The OP isn’t railing against the differently abled. The OP is saying ‘some of these people are using their disabled status as an excuse for poor performance/behavior’. For example, I have a few diagnosed anxiety disorders. I take medication for them. I’m trying to find a new therapist as the old one died. My employer knows of my diagnoses and is fully prepared to accomodate me. I am not the kind of person the OP is complaining about. If I decided to sleep in an extra hour every day, show up late for work and said ‘you cannot fire me. I’m disabled.’ then, the rant would include me.
And with the epistemological aspect of this thread, many of the people that we are talking about are aware of what they are doing and wear their disability as a public suit of armor that (they think) protects them from everything. Like
“I told Big Bosslady to kiss my ass and I’m not going to the meeting. She can’t fire me I have a disability.”
“I need to go home and let Fido out of the dogrun so I’ll just sneak out early. They can’t fire me I have a disability.”
“So what if you caught me stealing people’s lunches out of the office refrigerator. You can’t fire me. I have a disability.”