What the hell are you talking about?
If we are talking about my second experience, then please quote me where I’ve said what happened was spooky or supernatural. I described what happened to me. What we have been doing is going and back forth about whether or not I was conscious. You insist you know me better than I do and can determine whether I was conscious on a certain day 8 years ago. On that basis, I claim the same priveledge over you, which makes as much sense in both cases. None at all.
Ok, you are the boss of me, what may I do next?
No I relayed exactly what happened to me. Granted it was weird and unusal.
We’re just going in circles now. You insist I was unconscious, and that settles the issue for you. What exactly do you expect me to do with that? Let’s say I suddenly agree with you: yes I was unconscious - your conclusion stands. Let’s say I continue to disagree with you: I was conscious - you assert the opposite and your conclusion still stands. It’s a win win for you both ways.
No- you relayed your interpretation of what happened. Your conclusions are what’s in dispute: the dream didn’t feel like a dream and might have been caused by your brother’s soul reaching out to you, and you were definitely conscious after you stopped breathing and your consciousness was near a body of water and was getting directions from someone. That didn’t “happen to you.” You had the impression of those things happening, but factually, you can’t say they did happen. (Secret revelation: they didn’t happen. Your brain made them up.)
What?? Make the ghost even angrier?? I don’t think so!!
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I do believe that burying the hatchet in your next door neighbor would create an even angrier ghost, though.
mishagoe
Exactly how does one determine which dreams have ‘real’ meaning vs those that are just ordinary dreams?
One nite I’m fighting zombies - the terror is real - the next I’m having some fantastic … ahem… encounters… ahem – and both times I would swear the reality of what happend while it was happening - and at times they are so real that the next day I’m sometimes left with guilt feelings over it (or terror that the dog I buried in the back yard is actually still alive).
(I even had physical evidence when I awoke from the ‘encounter’ that proved I was there!)
So, riddle me that - how do you decide between ‘dreams’ and ‘spirits visiting me while I am asleep with important messages’ - cause, well, I really want to know.
until you can give me a good way to discern - they all go in the ‘dream’ bucket.
We do? Cite?
You keep on missing the point of personal experiences and how their meaning is derived. They are personal and subjective and that is precisely the source from which their meaning is derived. I guess the next time you have an unusual dream or some other unusual conscious state experience, no doubt you’ll think it was just bit of undigested potato lodged in your stomach. Trust me on this, there is a big world out there just waiting for you to partake in it, so don’t be afraid to take the first step to explore the world inside your head.
Trust me, the world inside your head does not necessarily correspond 1:1 with the world outside your head.
Well, this will shock you, you determine that by exploring the significance of the dream to you. It is afterall your dream, not mine. For you to ask anyone but yourself for the meaning is misguided.
If you really want to know then go reflect on it, read some books, explore why you think what you think. If you don’t want to do that work then don’t do it and go on with whatever meaning or non-meaning you assign to your dreams. I’m not here to teach you any of this. Good luck and enjoy.
Nice try since you almost had that right You should have said: the world outside your head does not correspond 1:1 with the word inside your head.
Vague pointing off in the direction of unnamed books, vague words o’ wisdom and a vague condescending guru smile. You’re right, you certainly aren’t here to teach us anything…because we’ve seen this all before.
Yes, I get that you’ve seen this all before many times and it is like water off a ducks back to you. Congrats.
I didn’t ask if my dreams had “meaning” to me (or to anyone).
I asked how to discern the difference between a ‘normal dream’ and a ‘visit from a dead spirit’ or me moving on the astral plane to some enchanted place.
cause, if there is a difference, then that difference must be discernible beyond mere ‘feeling’ its different.
Really? How do you propose that difference is manifested inside you if you think the experience or the feeling you derive from the dream has no meaning? I would also be interested in anything you can add to this.
I hope this isn’t breaking a rule, but let me try to parse this:
[What is the] difference … inside you if … the experience [of the] the dream has no meaning?
Is that right?
You seem to be mis understanding the question - I am asking YOU how YOU (or anyone) could discern the difference - clearly you cant describe any meaningful way of telling the difference between a ‘dream’ and a ‘dead spirit visiting me while in a sleeplike state’ beyond "how it makes me feel’ - which is meaningless as evidence.
YOU and YOU alone are the only valid source for the meaning. It is a subjective experience. Not an object. You want a primer on subjective? or Experience? You either trust your experience or you don’t. You don’t believe in encounters with souls, or spirits, or the dear departed. But I can’t sort that out for you. For you to be asking me for proof of these things is a bit disingenuous, wouldn’t you agree?
Define “Reality” in your own words, please.
Better parsed this way:
What is inside of you is is the meaning of the experience. If the experience has no difference in meaning for you then that is what is inside of you. Not my fault.