Or come to that, Velocity, I think you said you’re in your 30’s? Perhaps your mother might be upset to discover that you think she’s no longer a woman.
First, thank you for the response.
Unfortunately, you’re serving up the same tired crap that has been proven not to work a million times over.
No real people use the helicopter identification. It’s just internet tough guy rhetoric. The only thing that works on them is endless, unrelenting mockery. They have thin skins like most bullies. They hate being laughed at.
That’s not a cure-all, but it’ll sure take you farther than statistics.
I would point out to the student that neither a helicopter, velociraptor, nor dump truck has any rights under the law or the school’s policy guidelines, and said student should sit down, shut up, and whine to parents at home.
Kids in kindergarten have been known to insist they are princesses, astronauts or basketball players. Teachers do not have to give them crowns, space suits or contracts with the Golden State Warriors.
Yes, and they all support my point as written. Glad to see that you read the papers. All 3 are effectively favorable treatment.
As a thought experiment, suppose you were the classic “brain in a vat”, transplanted out of your current body, placed in a nutrient bath and kept alive, with all your sensory inputs and outputs connected to the world via a computer interface. Are you now a computer? Or are you still human? If you’re a human, are you man or a woman? I think you’d probably still feel like a human of whatever sex you were originally, but there’s no self-evident answer here. This is just the set-up.
Now suppose that at conception we have the technology to separate your brain from your body and keep them alive independently. And let’s say you are XY, you have what is typically “male DNA”. We place both your body and your brain in separate nutrient baths and keep them alive. We ensure that your (headless) body receives the hormone signals etc to trigger the “male” development pathway, so of course it grows a penis and testicles and (eventually) a hairy chest. Your brain meanwhile is in a separate vat. Although it has XY DNA, it is artificially infused with the hormone signals etc that trigger the “female” development pathway from conception. But wait, there’s more. In this thought experiment, we have 23rd century virtual reality technology. Your brain is also provided with a VR sensory interface so your brain thinks it’s not in a vat. It thinks it’s growing up as a little girl in a typical suburban home. In principle, if our VR is good enough, we can generate inputs and process outputs to/from the brain that are indistinguishable from real life input/output. Since all the physical elements (hormones etc) are identical to those of a girl, and all the life experiences are indistinguishable from a real girl having a normal youth not in a vat, the brain must surely develop thinking and feeling that it’s a girl.
So now, of course, mad scientists that we are, at the age of (say) 18 we transplant the brain back into its body. What now? I’m not saying there is some obvious “gotcha” here, I’m interested what people think.
Tell that to Tammy Duckworth, pal.
As for facing the criminal justice system, wtf? Women don’t want to go to jail, and men do?
I think his point was that women often get much lighter prison sentences than men for the same crimes. (The exception would be crimes where society puts mothering expectations on women - moms who leave kids in hot cars are often punished more severely than dads, for instance.)
But nothing you have advocated doing in any way mocks them.
What you advocate doing is taking them seriously, and challenging their claim to be attack helicopters. In doing so, you are doing exactly what they want. They want you to tell them why it’s stupid to identify as an attack helicopter. They will thus use those same arguments to say why a trans woman isn’t a woman.
I’ve literally watched it happen online. Someone will explain why they don’t actually identify as an attack helicopter. And then the response will be “that’s my point.” And then they’ll go on about a trans woman doesn’t really have a vagina, just a “wound” that will close up. They’ll go on about how wanting to be a woman doesn’t make them a woman. They’ll say, if you won’t treat me like an attack helicopter, then I shouldn’t have to treat a trans woman as a woman.
I myself do what Miller says. And I’ve never had it backfire. At worst, I get people telling me that I should learn to take a joke. But I’ve also gotten “I was just joking, man. I have no problem with trans people.” Or even “Oh, I didn’t realize.”
Also, just like with mockery, argument doesn’t necessarily convince people at the time. They may be too defensive. I know I’ve argued something that someone mocked me for, and then later seen them make the same argument I did. And I’ve realized someone had a point only a while after I’d argued against them.
In what way does abolishing the draft treat one group unfavorably?
Because people honestly and genuinely wanting equality would be willing to take on negatives as well as positives. You might notice they never mention this, or demand equally long prison sentences as men. Most feminists don’t want equality, they want to continue to receive favorable treatment when it benefits them but also receive favorable treatment wherever they are “underrepresented” to make up for alleged discrimination in the past.
Feminism is an advocacy group for women masquerading as an organization seeking equality in the same way that the NRA is an advocacy group for personal ownership for firearms and is uninterested in forming well regulated militias.
Naturally, if you try to form an advocacy group for men - that just wants equality, same as women - you get tarred and feathered.
You can stop digging now. Take a break.
Did you miss the part where I said it was just internet tough guy rhetoric? Did you think “stripping them for parts” wasn’t mockery?
Trans people have to face this in the real world. Let one of the internet jerks try this nonsense in the real world. It’s easy to ignore defiance online. You, in fact, take a great amount of IMO totally unwarranted mockery online, and yet you continue to defy the jerks. Good for you. But that’s not what I was talking about.
The example I use is “pine tree”, drawn from a real-life event: “Hey, it’s fine by me however you identify, you can identify as a pine tree if that’s the real you, but I gotta tell you I don’t really get it and probably never will”.
We all know they aren’t talking about helicopters or pine trees.
A pseudoliberal “you can call yourself whatever you want to as long as I don’t have to understand WTF it means” doesn’t really help marginalized people very much. But neither does an insistence that people nod and go along with something they don’t understand.
The announcement of a straight pride parade generated this response:
Now, apply that to women’s rights.
QED
Do your freaking homework
NOW Supports including women the draft is old news.
Equality is not something that one party can have. Equality is something that party one has with party two. If you try to form an advocacy group that appears to be about promoting men’s concerns while describing men as disadvantaged in comparison with everyone else, and not acknowledging that men are privileged (even if in totally different situations than the one in which you’re seeking to advocate for men), yeah, you’ll get tarred and feathered, deservingly so.
“No one should be drafted” is NOT treating anyone unfavorably. Which was what you seem to be arguing.
I know this isn’t what the discussion is concentrating on, but I’m pretty sure that the 2014 meme is ripping off/a shoutout to Nick Zerhakker, a character in the Skin Horse webcomic. Nick was a brain in a jar that the military had installed into a secret attack aircraft without his consent. Skin Horse was a government agency with a mandate to aid non-human sapients. Skin Horse originally thought they couldn’t help Nick because he was a human brain. They were eventually able to free him when he said that after spending time flying, he identified as an aircraft, now. That identification changed his category according to the regulations that governed Skin Horse.
Nick was first posted in late 2008. The links for the meme are dated 2014. And he was a bitter, mouthy gamer who only interacted with people online. I’m pretty sure that at least some of the meme guys were aware of him.
The objection to “abolish the draft” is that it’s basically saying that it’s okay for one side to put up with hardship, but when it’s the other side’s term, suddenly to needs abolishing.
By reverse analogy, it’s like how some conservatives suggested that “marriage be abolished” when the issue of gay marriage was brought up. Sure, technically it’s treating everyone equal, but the true motive was “we don’t want gays getting married.”
Anyway, since we are far off topic: back to the thread question: If you are a teacher or principal and a group of students claim to be AH-64 Apaches and demands to be addressed by the gender pronoun “chop/choppers/choppiness” and have a restroom for helicopters only, what would you do?
Precisely. Hence, my point that feminism is really an woman’s advocacy group.
They want the biggest piece of the pie they can get, regardless of it’s the majority of the pie or not.
This is fine, I just am annoyed, like many men, at how media presents the feminism side as the only correct and just one. Everyone always talks about all the sexual harassment women face, but never when it’s treatment in their favor.