So, despite being just slightly right of west a lot of my views seem to be alt-right.
Ask me whatever you want - if you want.
Here are some starting points:
I think everyone should be treated equally regardless sex, race, religion, sexuality etc. I don’t think that belonging to any particular group makes you special or deserving of extra attention or protections.
I think that white males are being unfairly demonized. Most of us have fuck all to do with how the world works. RICH white males do, but most of us ain’t rich. Demonizing us based on skin colour is racist and counter productive.
I believe that any person can use any word and it is context that determines intent. George Carlin (for example) used the word nigger a bunch and I defy anyone to suggest he was even an iota racist. It is not the word but the thought behind it.
I believe that words have the power that you give them and selecting a few as verboten is just a lazy-assed way of virtue signalling. If you believe that a mere sound has actual power then you are a fool.
You can not “identify” yourself as something and magically become it. Otherwise I could declare myself a pygmy and all and sundry must accept that and embrace it.
Truly transgendered people certainly do exist but they are exceeding rare and they are currently getting more attention than is warranted.
I am a heterosexual male. I am not cisgendered and I take offense to the term. I have the right to refuse cisgendered.
All lives matter. Cops should not be shooting blacks on sight and blacks are certainly more prone to fatal police brutality - but a fuck of a lot of Hispanics, Indians, Whites, Asians are subjected to it too. Blacks gets shot - multiple times - the rest of us get beaten / jailed / fucked over trumped up shit. What group suffers most from civil asset forfeiture?
It is the height of stupidity that pride parades are disallowing cops. The cops used to regularly beat, rape, arrest queers and now they want to show solidarity - but they can’t. Not because the queers don’t trust their sincerity but because it might piss off the overlap between gay and black lives matter.
I am not alt-right I am hard left and the neo-left has co-opted the idea of social justice to focus on a few (often fringe) areas to the detriment of the goals of the left in general. We can blame Trump on the neo-left.
Does that mean you don’t support legislation like the Civil Rights Act? Do you believe businesses should be able to turn away people based on race/religion/sexual orientation? If so, are you okay with the possibility of the return of sundown towns?
How are white males demonized? Who demonizes them/us?
Fair enough. I think using racial slurs is usually highly obnoxious and racist, and non-racist people can still say or do racist things either by mistake or by laziness.
By what basis do you make this claim? Do you think the same about sexual orientation, or just gender identity?
If your same brain was in a female body, would you feel comfortable in that body, or would you feel like your body doesn’t match who you are?
Fair enough. I won’t call someone something they don’t want to be called, so as far as I’m concerned, cisgender means people whose gender identity matches their biological sex, except for Zeke (and maybe another poster or two).
What are these opinions based on? If you agree that blacks are “more prone to fatal police brutality”, then why is it wrong to put special emphasis on what we agree is a greater problem?
I’m not sure what this is about, so I won’t comment.
I blame Trump on those that voted for him, and a bit on those who stayed home. It seems ridiculous to me to blame his success on those who voted against him.
On the surface, this sounds reasonable. But it seems to be hinting at something…
Oh, here it is. How is it you came to believe white males are being demonized? As a white maile myself, I have never had that feeling.
I generally agree, context matters. But you have to realize that sometimes, a lot of times, people misunderstand the context, or refuse to understand the context. And yes, that is their problem, but would you rather spend all of your life defending your use of a heated word? Or would you rather just spend half a second and just not say it? It is of course your right to do either.
How do you define virtue signalling? And from your context you seem to think it is a bad thing. Explain it to me in your words like I’ve never heard the term before.
Are you saying that people are faking being transgendered? I’m not trying to suggest NONE of them are, but have you considered the possibility that they have been faking their birth gender forever and are just now being socially allowed to embrace who they are?
I agree. But have you found yourself being called that in everyday life? I have certainly not, and I have plenty of LGBTQ friends.
Of course all lives matter. That’s not in dispute. The point of BLM is that they felt like they were being treated like they don’t.
I am not surprised that the first few posts try to nit-pick what was in the OP to try to tear it apart. This is the dope, it’s what they do.
I do agree with where I think the OP is coming from, if my reading comprehension is accurate. In fact, it is the response here that supports point #10. The OP is not saying that he is against transgenderism, homosexuality, races, religions, or ethnicities other than his own.
What I think he is saying is that promoting these issues above things like loss of jobs, health care, cost of education, and other issues that affect everyone instead of a few isolated groups was a big reason we have President Trump and if we can focus on the important issues, these fringe issues will work themselves out.
In illustration, consider that males (of all races, genders, creeds, and religions) are killed in far excess that females. This is considerably more stark when you look at the differences these groups have in the general population. But, no group calling themselves “Male Lives Matter” has been able to get any traction. Do you think this could be in any way related to fundamental differences between the two population groups?
No, there is truth in the OP. Not every bit of it, piece by piece, they way it has been analyzed, but as a whole. If you work to disagree with what someone say, you will disagree with what they say. If you work to divide, you will divide. What this country needs is someone who can get us to work together on our common problems, not bicker at each other at our minor differences.
Christ, I can’t believe I’m wasting my time on this, but what the fuck.
Nope. I already know you have nothing worthwhile to say. See below.
No, you don’t believe that. At all. The groups you’re railing against only want to be treated with respect like anyone else. This is not “special treatment.”
You are not being demonized. If you are not a rich white asshole in a position of power trying to deny rights to others who are not like you, then you’re not being demonized. Despite what the alt-right shitbags are telling you. I am a white male. I AM NOT BEING DEMONIZED!
Uh-huh. But you don’t want to use the word in the sense that Carlin did – to satirize the state of race relations in the US (where you don’t even live, BTW). You want to be able to call black people niggers without repercussions. You are not fooling anyone.
Cool. Then you won’t mind if I refer to you as Shitbag Babyfucker. Just words, amirite?
I just “magically” declared myself a vegetarian. Starting right now I am devoted to a strict vegetarian diet.
I have a friend who has always considered herself a Republican. Over the last few months she has gravitated away from the party and now considers herself an Independent.
So, I guess you’re full of shit on this one, too.
Says who? You? So fucking what, you goddamn snowflake.
So refuse it. I assure you nobody cares. Really.
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So they should just shut the fuck up about it? This is quite possibly the stupidest paragraph I’ve ever read on this board. You acknowledge that Black people are killed by police in greater numbers than others, but… what? They should just accept it? Seriously, you’re making zero sense here.
Remember how I said that paragraph above was the stupidest I’ve ever read? Scratch that. This is completely nonsensical. The only reason you wrote this is to find a reason to call gay people queers. You know, like that nigger thing you mentioned earlier.
No, you are not hard left. Not even a little bit.
And you can blame Trump on dumbasses such as yourself who fall for con-men.
I apologize to all. I was/am in the midst of replying to the first response but one of my kids started throwing up and I’ve have been doing daddy duty.
To be fair - to me - I was sort of hoping that each person might pick one or two. Not because I’m not willing to explain but because if four people pick five then I have 20 points (minimum) to reply to and by the time that I give a fair reply to one poster I have another couple of dozen points to reply to.
So I will try to keep up but I will fail. Pease forgive me.
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No, and it is ridiculous that you would ask this question. Or, yes, and it is ridiculous that you would ask this question.
Equality means equality. That does not mean that everyone is reduced to the lowest bar, but rather everyone is held at the highest - reasonable - bar. Would white people (since that is implicit in your question) be subject to the same Jim Crow laws? Then yes.
But since that would be lunacy. Not because white people ought to be exempt but because then every community would decide who they wanted and who they didn’t. From there you get enclaves where white can discriminate against blacks, gays can discriminate against Hispanics, Hispanics can discriminate against midgets etc.
Equality means that everyone treats everyone based on their behaviour and actions not something as superficial as race, sex, gender, religion etc. Failure to recognize and respect a person’s basic humanity is vile. Failure to act accordingly is vile.
Really? When someone speaks of the patriarchy its evils who are they talking about? White males. When someone speaks of “the man” who are they speaking of? White males. Who is seen to be the source of all problems? White males.
Certainly white males have done a bunch of horrendous shit, but any group, given power has always done horrendous shit. It’s nothing to do with race or gender it is to do with being human.
Who has passed all of the laws that advanced civil rights? White males. Who has built the hospitals and schools and done most of the shit that has brought us (for good and evil) to the point that we are now? White males.
Does this mean that white males are beyond reproach? No. Does it mean that we should get a pass? No. Does it mean that perhaps we should be seen as the sum rather than parts? Yes.
For context this is a response to me saying that I believe that “racial slurs” are fine if you take context and intent into consideration and that I feel it is a mistake to give words more power than the thought behind them. And that it is lazy to focus on the word rather than the intent.
Of course it is obnoxious. But it is equally obnoxious to hear black people saying nigger this and nigger that and my nigger and so on. If the word is offensive then it is offensive. Period. If the word must be stricken then strike it. But to suggest that for a black person to use that word is fine but for any white person to use it is racist is in fact… racist.
You say that non-racist people can use it out of laziness or ignorance, Cool - so what good does it do to label the non-racist slackard or idiot racist simply for using it?
If a lazy ignoramus says, “We gotta be fair to niggers, they’ve had it hard.” And he/she immediately gets screamed down as a racist, a bigot or whatever else all that happens is that person feels vilified. Why? Because of a word - despite the content of the statement.
This is to do with self-identification.
Sexual orientation is easy. In the end it comes down to what do you want to fuck.
I am a heterosexual male. I know this because I am sexually attracted to women and I have a penis. During my adolescence I wasn’t sure and there were a couple of guys that I thought I was sexually attracted to. So I tried it with them.
I couldn’t get past fondling. Not because I thought it was gross, I thought it was boring. I wasn’t into it. At that age if a woman brushed my shoulder I was hard for a week.
And, to head off the question, yes I believe bisexuality exists - I sort of wish I was bi - but all that means is that it is a spectrum. I happen to fall firmly on the straight side, others fall firmly on the gay side, others are somewhere in between.
But that doesn’t mean any of us are special or deserving of recognition. It means that regardless of who you want to fuck you ought to have the same rights and obligations as everyone else.
As far as gender identity goes. I believe that there are most certainly some people whose body doesn’t match their brain. But I think that since it has become a cause celebre it seems to be much more common - more so than would be accounted for by the “now I can come out” factor.
Will science back me up? Some will, but I doubt it would be accepted here. Will science refute me? Some will and it will be embraced here.
But the fact is the science is still brand new. And remember that science didn’t accept germ theory until a hundred odd years ago. Science, contrary to what many people here would like to believe, is not god. It is flawed and fallible -especially in it’s nascence.
The notion that you can one day declare that you are green when you are demonstrably grey and I have to abide by that is dumb. It is an insult to the green.
You can’t “self-identify.” You are what you are. That simple.
As it stands, I could identify as pygmy and people would have to accept that and address me as such despite me being near 6 foot tall and white as foolscap. Wanting to be something does not mean you are that thing.
Again - I absolutely accept that there are people whose bodies and brains don’t match. But I don’t think it is as common as it has recently become and I think that the whole issue receives far more coverage than it warrants.
Strangely queers don’t like or accept trans. How odd.
See, I reject the very idea of “cisgender.” In fact I object to cisgender. I’m not cisgender. I am male. That’s it. My wife is female, that’s it. The gender you are born to is the default. There is no need for a special label.
People whose brains don’t match their body need a label (oh fuck am I gonna take heat for that one.) They need a label because they need to identify (not BE identified.) If you have a box but feel you should have had a dick you need to be able to describe your situation. That’s reasonable.
But I was born with a unit and I feel sure that I was meant to have one (though some of my past partners may disagree) so male will do. How hard is that? I sure as fuck wasn’t born cisgendered - I had that one forced on me within the last couple of decades.
And by what basis do you suggest that truly trans people aren’t exceeding rare?
I consider this to be needlessly snarky and rude - and which is worse - beneath you. I don’t agree with your general outlook but I’m not sure I’ve ever mocked you for having it.
Because it reduces the problem of police brutality to a few cases that are media friendly. Do blacks get fucked by the cops more than whites (I’m Canadian so here it isn’t blacks as much as Indians - but they don’t matter right?) Yes!
Yes Police are much more likely to arrest and behave violently toward minorities than whites. Unless those whites are poor. Poor whites are much less likely to be shot for no good reason but beatings are not uncommon.
How many blacks have been deported based on skin colour alone?
How many blacks have enjoyed the benefits of civil asset forfeiture?
See, the determining factor - more often than not - is money. How many rich black people have the cops gunned down?
The over-authoritarian nature of the police affects all races it just hits them differently. Are black folks more likely to get shot to shit for no good reason? 100% yes.
But this is a board of math folks. How many incidences of police interaction with black people result in unlawful shooting (too many I grant) versus how many interactions between the police and black people over all?
The number is vanishingly small. This is not to minimize the atrocity that is killing a black person simply because you will likely get away with it. It is to provide perspective.
It is not open season on African-Americans.
One is too many but this is not a genocide.
Sorry man, if you can’t see the idiocy of refusing to allow former enemies to declare that they were wrong and march in support of you then I’m afraid I can’t comment either.
This in response to me blaming Trump on the neo-left.
I likely should not have said that.
What I meant is that the neo-left has started to define the left and if you aren’t in lock step with the new left then you don’t count.
I grant that I’m not immersed in American politics but whatever you guys do filters down to us and I will give you a real world example.
In Manitoba (my province) we recently had a leadership vote fore the NDP (in American terms an far, far left party) I was contacted by an NDP rep who wanted me to join up to support a guy named Wab Kinew - a 30 something aboriginal man.
I supported Steve Ashton a 60 something white man.
When I was asked why I supported him I said, “because he is old-school NDP. He has fought for social justice for 3 decades. He has fought for workers rights, aboriginal rights, women’s rights and the fundamental principals of the NDP.”
I was told, “Yeah… but he’s an old white guy so he’s irrelevant.”
Wab Kinew is a spouse abuser who made his name in a rap band whose lyrics are violent, misogynistic and racist (against white people.)
My grandfather was a longtime member of the CCF before it became the NDP. He was a commercial fisherman that got to the point that he could hire people and he did - Indians mainly. He did so over the objections of my grandmother. He did so in a time and place that Indians couldn’t get hired mostly.
He was an old white guy.
My father spent 40 years involved in the labour movement at the local college. He fought for student rights, better and fairer access for foreign students, aboriginal students, lower tuition fees and academic freedom. He was a longtime member of the NDP (30 or 40 years.)
He’s an old white guy.
There has not been a demonstration in my city that I have not joined in. I spent a quarter of my life in the labour movement fighting for protections for workers, fighting against the company taking advantage of people’s language barriers, trying to get a serial sexual harasser fired, safety in the plant (which benefits especially those who don’t read English well enough to read and understand their rights.
I’ve marched in each pride parade as have my children.
I’m soon to be “an old white guy”
But the new left says that people like me don’t count - racist wife beater who are young and not-white do.