I think California splitting into multiple states has a higher probability than secession.
Especially if you include “Calexit happens, then Calexitifornia immediately splits into multiple states using the same logic as Calexit”, as I think that would be ny far the most likely result of a successful Calexit movement.
Of course. And we go thru the “split” discussion every few years. I wouldn’t be opposed (split along the southern border of Monterey Co), but the inertia is awfully strong. And which Republican state is going to want to add 2 more Democratic Senators to the Senate?
Why divide the state north and south when you can go east and west? Split it along hwy 680/101. Most of CA by geography is fairly conservative. It just happens that the bay area and LA region are very densely populated and very liberal.
Incidentally, that’s why I talk about CA breaking up after a hypothetical Calexit. Currently there’s a lot of inertia against splitting the state, and it would require a US constitutional amendment. But if Calexit succeeds, there’s a lot of momentum towards splitting up for more representative government, and the constitutional amendment needed has already been passed. Also, this is why countries like Russia and China don’t support secession movements, once you give them legitimacy then you have to deal wtih them in your own country.
Yeah, we went over all that back on page 5. 
I can’t remember everything from 14 pages back in this monster of a thread!
This may sound whiny, but I don’t want to go clicking on links or googling Calexit. It feels like, well, not support, but attention. So I have to ask. This is gathering signatures for a proposition, right? This isn’t just gathering online ‘signatures’ on some website?
Cause if it is trying to create a proposition, you have to remember the “Sodomite Suppression Act”. It got stricken off the ballot before anyone voted because it was obviously illegal. It never even got printed up in the election pamphlet.
I’m pretty sure that’s what would happen here, too. They won’t even have to go to the CA Supreme Court for permission first. Permission has been given.
Also, I never hear about this anywhere but in this thread. Is it making the news and I’m just not getting it?
Yeah, we’re experimental. But we’re not quitters.
It’s mostly been one guy in this thread, in the general news it got mentioned for a little bit and then forgotten, just like Texas’s secession threats.
So it’s like the recurring “movement” to split the state in half. Got it. Thanks.
At least if we split the state in half, we’d get a bad pun out of it. The Californias, otherwise known as the Diet States: No. Cal and Low Cal.
It’s now making the news in Britain:
Create a Google News alert and you will get hits every day.
The CA AG’s office has had this and reviewed it and now it goes to the Sec of State for filing and thereafter signature collection can begin. I assume if this was illegal the AG’s office would have noticed. But then, everyone has an opinion, ranging from full scale attack to imprisonment of Californian’s, in this thread. Fact is, all those opinions are mere guesses as to what will happen, because this has never happened via a ballot box before. This is new ground. That’s why I’ve quit responding to the WAG"s of so many here.
CalExit has had a web presence and a group (2 fronts actually) of people working on getting this going. No advertising has occurred, no major rallies, etc. Just a little word of mouth and the support of 1 in 3 polled Californians so far. 1 in 3 and Trump has only been reeking havoc for a week now. It’ll go up.
I think the odds are increasingly likely that this campaign is simply another attempt by Russia to screw with the US. The organizer can’t even be honest about how much money he is getting from the Kremlin. What’s wrong with transparency of a foreign country attempting to meddle in California’s referendum process?
Far from ‘never happened before’, it was a major historical event that you should have learned about in school and has been mentioned in this thread many times. All of the seceding states in 1860 voted to leave the union before leaving. We’re basing what will happen based on historical precedent, law, and simple reasoning. Calexit is based on ignoring precedent, weirdly interpreting law, wishful thinking.
Seems so 2017 Republican doesn’t it? (maybe he’s trying to get a cabinet offer from Trump?)
Don’t worry about it. He’s there working for a living.
You know, your opinions and guesses aren’t really worth an answer anymore. But let me give you one last example of how selective reading leads to missing so many points.
Peaceful secession such as CalExit has never been tried. See, the Civil war was at a time when the bullet was the chosen method of settling disagreements. Today we use the ballot boxes. They didn’t use the ballot box the last time, and the country quickly headed to war. That’s what happens when retards get guns. We don’t use bullets in this day and time to resolve disagreements.
Now basically, I’m done responding to your guesses and assumptions about how the US has not evolved past 1860 dispute resolution methods. Post if you like, but I have no desire to further engage you.
Why won’t he disclose how much money he’s getting from the Russian Government?
There have been lots of polls in various states about session, and you typically get about 25%, regardless of the state and regardless of the president. So, that’s your baseline, and 1 in 3 suddenly does’t sound so significant.
They literally formed a convention of secession in each state, then eventually the state legislature voted to leave. That is ‘using the ballot box’ by any standard, they voted on it like you’re saying Calexit would. Things headed ‘quickly’ to war when SC attempted to stop federal troops from supplying Fort Sumter, which you’ve stated Calexit will do to US military bases in their territory. So your claim that they didn’t use the ballot box is blatantly and obviously untrue.
We routinely use bullets in this day and time to resolve disagreements, I’m not sure how you can make that claim with a straight face. It’s absolutely routine and unremarkable for gun-wielding police to arrest people for disagreeing with the law, even in sunny California.
I’m also not overly surprised to find that you’re the type to use ‘retard’ as a slur, it says a lot about your basic character. It is kind of surprising since you talk so much about being more enlightened than the rest of the country, but I also never bought that line.
I have no idea, send him an email.
Yes, 1/3 already. When only 1/2 of the voters are need sounds quite doable. Give the baboon time, he’ll send more support our way.