Once it’s on the plate, and CA has voted for independence, then CA’s entire governmental bureaucracy is dedicated to working for this. Trump will continue to hemorrhage support our way between now and then.
I think (just as Trump has found with the federal bureaucracy) that one election doesn’t necessarily quash all opposition and grant one full and immediate compliance / support from all employees within the government towards the election winner’s goals.
You might want to look at the details of Philippine Independence. Wiki will do fine. They did not get the sweetheart deal you so casually assume is the only option once we start negotiating. The US looked out for it’s own interests in the terms it set.
The Philippines is a case of a territory thousands of miles from the continental US. There’s another more relevant precedent that directly relates to to states on the continent leaving the Union.
I’m pretty sure you won’t be all that happy or have things work out as well as you expect if we follow the Philippines precedent and play hard ball during negotiations. If we follow the most relevant precedent … well you always have Mecha-Streisand.
I’ve changed my mind. Sort of. I’m willing to meet the secede folks half-way. You guys south of Monterey County are welcome to leave. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You can call your new country La-La-Land. And we’ll be keeping our water, thank-you very much!
I used to live in Monterey County too!
I’m a Californian. You’re a damned fool.
Please do not appear to insult other posters. If you feel you must, the BBQ Pit is right around the corner.
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no. what is “happening” is that Californians might vote on this. The problem is, that’s by far the easiest part in the whole process.
Another flip-flop then, now you’re saying you ARE going to seize US Federal government property, and military bases at that. But I thought this was all going to be peaceful and quiet and provide no justification for use of force!
BTW, how did seizing a US military base after declaring itself not part of the US work out for South Carolina the last time someone tried this?
Precidents only count when the OP uses them.
I really think the California independence movement should just go full sovereign citizen. Why bother with a referendum when the people of California can just say, “I do not form rejoinder with the United States!!!” and become instantly free. Then they can also file a whole bunch of liens on military bases, too.
Morgenstern: I’ve asked this, I think four times now, and you’ve neglected to answer. What is Plan B? What will Calexit do (or what would YOU do) when, after the petition and the vote and the CA Constitutional Amendment and so on, when the rest of the US says “no?” What will you do then?
Just give up and go home? Open revolt? Reoccupy Sealand?
:eek: :rolleyes: California, reduced to a veritable 3rd-world cesspool, should be very grateful to the productive states like Alabama and West Virginia for propping it up.
Here’s an article I just ran across. Calexit won’t happen soon, and really liberals across the US should be rallying for California as their strongest defender against Trump and fighting for liberal and environmental values instead of just sitting back, mocking them and sipping their beer.
That was pretty good. As a Californian, I can attest to that being a fair and accurate assessment. I did’t grow up here, but I’v lived here most of my adult life, and I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. I’m thrilled to be a Californian, but I’m an American and have no interest in becoming something else. And while I, too, dislike being closely shackled to the good folks in Mississippi and Georgia, a better and more practical solution to that problem* is advocate for more of a Federalist system, where states take the lead in things like Health Care, Welfare, etc. Immigration, of course, has to be a national issue, but there are many things that the states are perfectly capable of doing if allowed to.
*Still an enormously uphill battle, but better than wasting energy on fantasies like secession. As noted in that Newsweek article:
Emphasis added
You all are making one big mistake. You’re underestimating the resolve of Californian’s.
The state’s citizens have voted in measures to increase taxes, legalize marijuana, restrict the rights of gun owners and enact criminal justice reforms. While conservative state legislatures are debating pointless “bathroom bills,” California has passed what some say are the strongest LGBT protections in the entire world. The state hasn’t found a remedy for earthquakes, but a company in Silicon Valley has what appears to be a workable solution. It involves houses that hover.’
With a populating this intelligent, we’ll get what we want. Tough road it be, but there’s a road.
You underlined the wrong part… Start with the word “nearly.” Changes everything you say.
Californian’s what?
Again, the road is easy. Just declare, “I do not wish to form rejoinder with the United States!!!” and you’ll be free. Plus for $50 I’ll sell you a kit that shows how you can discharge all debts that are formed under the corporation of your LEGAL NAME, as opposed to your legal name.
So that’s a no, then, on getting my simple question answered?
Californians.
And no, we’re not underestimating their resolve. The 1500 nutjobs you speak for are vastly outnumbered by the ~20 million other Californians who don’t give a shit or want to remain part of the Union.
California has 53 representatives in the House. Not a single one supports “Calexit.” I don’t know what a state that is resolved to become independent looks like, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t have 53 legislators who don’t want independence.
40 million. 