Again, you’ve missed everything already said on the matter. Your lack of unique material is why I typically avoid responding to you.
Tell us what it really means then because I suspect you have no idea.
Again, more speculative and unsubstantiated opinions with 0 basis in reality.
And you still refuse to respond to his comments.
And when Californians rise up and overthrow any pretenders who actually try to leave the US, whatcha gonna do?
Why is it that when people tell you what various laws actually mean, you dismiss it as “just your opinion, man,” but you get to freely wax on about how California, once freed of its oppression, is going to have desalination plants up the wazoo and magical farms that are more efficient than anyone can imagine?
Double standard much?
Definitely, plus we have Silicon Valley and Hollywood, which makes CA important to the whole world.
Hey, I hope you guys are gone (or in prison) for the 2020 & 2024 elections too.
Personally, I think Hollywood has been overselling their own importance for quite a while now.
Those places have intellectual property that is easily relocated. No one knows what the economic climate would be in an independent California. Taxes would be much higher. Companies would have a lot of leverage to play Cali and the USA off of each other.
I’ll bet you do. 
Again, opinion and facts are different things. I dismiss repetitive opinion rather quickly.
So you are dismissing your posts as well?
Again. An opinion. taxes are projected to fall when CA no longer supports the less fortunate states.
Hre, from CNP
*We have the 5th or 6th biggest economy on the planet (depending on exchange rates – we’re basically dead even with Britain) and the 35th largest population. We are bigger than Canada in terms of both population and economy. To be blunt, California doesn’t need America.
We are radically over-taxed. Because the cost of living is higher here so a person in Ohio making $50k/year is solidly middle class and a person here at the same pay rate is just barely hanging on. That means Californians are automatically in higher tax brackets than people with equivalent standards of living in other states. It also means our people are less likely to qualify for benefits they need and that we disproportionately pay for.
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Once CA is relieved of that wasteful Federal government, things like healthcare, education, infrastructure and providing for the needy can take place as we see necessary.
You’ve made three responses to me, all of which lack substance, while declaiming to the thread that you typically avoid responding to me. It’s an interesting contrast.
You forget defense. You ignore having to pay for water and petroleum based products. You ignore the almost immediate civil war between Californians who want to remain Americans and the traitors. Then the new California would still be liable for its share of the national debt as its price for independence. Then there would be the massive costs of creating a bunch of new agencies that would mirror the old federal government.
I keep looking at your posts thinking one of them may have some merit or be founded in truth and not simply guesses and assumptions. I’ll keep looking though.
Who pays for water and petroleum now? We do. Yep, we don’t get fed subsidies for that.
Civil war between Californian’s. Comedy gold.
Yep, we’d have to carry our share of the national debt, let see, 2% of the total states, 2% of the debt fair enough, or do you want us to pay for the poor states too? Also, in exchange for assuming a share of the US debt, we will negotiate for a share of the US assets within CA. Two way street ya know.
New agencies. You have no idea how big CA’s government is. We have agencies for everything the US has given up on, like climate change.
Could be. I keep hearing every so often how it’s too expensive and earthquake prone and Silicon Valley will move east, but it never seems to happen for whatever reason.
Hollywood seems to care more about what China’s audience thinks about blockbuster movies these days.
What I think would be interesting to hear is how Calexit plans to deal with the major, unarguable issues that keep getting swept under the rug. The attitude from supporters seems to be ‘well, if we get 51% of CA to vote on Calexit, then we can go and set our own terms’, but:
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How does Calexit deal with the sizeable portion of the state that doesn’t want to leave? Over 30% of CAs eligible voters voted for Trump, for example, and I don’t think they’re keen on living in Calexitfornia. These are United States citizens who have a right to expect the US government to protect them from being forced to live in a foreign government, but Calexit supporters don’t seem to acknowledge that they are there. They seem to feel that if they get a Calexit ballot initiative and 51% vote, that it’s a done deal.
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How does Calexit negotiate a workable exit from the US when the US holds all the cards in the negotiation? You’ve still got the situation where 51% of California is trying to convince 3/4 of the US states to agree to let them leave, but where the 51% of California expects to get a good deal on leaving. Even if you had a situation where the rest of the US wasn’t majorly opposed to CA leaving, there’s a huge incentive for them to impose lopsided conditions on the exit. Even without the US explicitly trying to profit off of the deal, there’s a lot of stuff that Calexit supporters want, like independence from US banking regulations, that the US could demand as a condition of exit, and a lot of stuff that CA would want (like Social Security money) that the US wouldn’t be inclined to give up. Also note that, aside from CA needing a 3/4 vote from the States to secede, the US has veto power over them joining the United Nations.
As a Californian, I would be one of the first to take up arms.
California would have absolutely zero leverage in any negotiation with the Federal government. California has no mechanism to force the Feds to give up its property.
We would have to negotiate and pay for most of our water. We would either have to restart offshore drilling or buy our petroleum from someone else.
We have no state equivalent of the post office, the SSA, the FBI or the armed forces.
We are also living in earthquake territory. When the next big one hits, we won’t have the rest of the country to help with reconstruction. We won’t have the clout to borrow like the Feds can.
This would make a Trump Adminstration look like golden years.
BTW, this is what I was talking about in my last post. Morgenstern talks like CA will have the whip hand in any deal and can essentially write it’s own ticket, when the opposite is true. If CA starts the discussion at only accepting 2% of Federal debt, how do they expect to get 3/4 of the other states to vote for that, purely on pragmatic grounds? All of this high-handed bargaining with the US doesn’t make sense for an entity that needs 3/4 agreement from the US to not have its leaders arrested.