….and I got tsked tsked by A.I. for spewing “hate speech that has no place in a diverse and inclusive society.”
Do I gotta worry about ICE showing up at my door?
Honestly, I had just read about ICE agents standing on a teenage girl’s neck, and I lost it. I’m certain I’m unlikely to suffer repercussions from just rage-googling, but who the fuck knows these days.
Goddammit, I fucking HATE what’s happening. If that’s hate speech, make the most of it
Haven’t heard about teenage girl/neck incident with ICE. When was this?
I read about that poor girl also, and I’m with you. FUCK ICE and ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS IT.
Maybe we’ll be detained together, @Two_Many_Cats2
Which search engine was that? I just tried it on Google and the AI focused primarily on the many criticisms of the group.
ETA. Here is the AI Overview:
There is widespread and increasing public criticism against U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and its policies, particularly concerning its Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO). Critics, including immigrant rights groups and civil liberties advocates, argue that ICE’s practices are inhumane, harmful to communities, and violate basic human rights. The recent surge in large-scale ICE raids under the Trump administration has intensified these criticisms.
Mine was the little girl with her wrists zip-tied behind her back. I had not heard about the teenage girl yet.
I believe it’s what you see in the video at the top of this article.
It looks to me like they are kneeling on her back/shoulder area, so “standing on her neck” is inaccurate. The reporter even described it as “putting a knee on her back”, which is what is seen.
Now, what did happen is bad enough. She isn’t resisting, he violently yanked her out, slammed her on the ground, and dealt with her the way you’d deal with someone fighting you. She was half his size. None of that was necessary. It was absolutely excessive and cruel for the sake of cruelty. As she said, she wasn’t resisting, you can tell from the video at no point is she resisting either physically or verbally.
The article itself is paywalled, unfortunately. But essentially, DHS completely lied about it and was caught in the lie. The girl arrested was a legal US citizen, and was detained for hours for absolutely no reason aside from her ethnicity. The family is planning to file a lawsuit.
CBS Chicago reports, per Evelyn’s parents, Evelyn and her boyfriend “went to warn people who live there [a Hoffman Estates neighborhood] and recorded the officers.” I’m not saying this justifies the officers’ behavior, but it is a better pretense than picking up a U.S. citizen because she meets some racial profile.
<https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/teen-tossed-to-ground-by-ice/>
~Max
It’s not better because (A) it still gives them no valid reason to arrest them in any way, whether civilly or with excessive force as they did, and (B) does not preclude a racial profile either.
Also, you know it’s bad when DHS tries to lie and pretend they weren’t involved, and lie about who committed the act, what it was regarding, and when it happened. Even they are afraid of how it makes them look, and they’re usually brazen with their abuses, but they know this crossed a line.
It’s no kind of pretense whatsoever. You’ve perhaps heard of the first amendment to the United States constitution?
Hmm, racist or fascist? Which is a better pretense…
I had a longer response typed out about those who feel the need to defend ICE like this, but on reflection, it will be lost on you.
So here’s my response: fuck off. Just fuck off already.
I suspect at least some good people work for ICE. Maybe the ones mopping the floors or changing out the coffee/soda machines. I mean everyone can’t be out in the field at all the time stomping on other people’s civil liberties and bashing old lady’s faces in. Surely there’s a supply closet that needs to be managed.
I think this is the right category; it’s about ICE so here goes: I read the first paragraph of an article a few weeks back about how Trans people may not be able to use their passports to leave the US and about how they may not be able to use their passports to get back into the US.
Something happened and I had to leave the room… and when I got back the article was gone. Has anyone heard of anything like this? Trans people being denied permission to cross borders, board flights, board ships etc just because they are Trans?
Was this just some MAGA threat or is it real…? Google pulls a blank. Has anyone else heard about this? Does anyone know where I can read up about this…?
I saw something about a plan being floated to reject passports with X or Non-Binary or any of the other not-male-or-female options that some states have implemented. Is that what you saw?
That article says he asked the courts to let him do it a month ago, but I don’t see an update.
In my opinion the principal rights here arise under the Fourth Amendment. The Fourth Amendment prohibits unreasonable seizure without a warrant. Warrantless arrests such as here are presumed unreasonable unless the officer has probable cause to believe Evelyn was committing a crime. That crime would be obstruction, ex. 18 U.S.C. 1509 or 1503, or a state law equivalent. Excessive and disproportionate force, as here, can also make an arrest unreasonable.
A First Amendment claim is harder to make because, per the Castañon Nava consent decree, ICE is not supposed to pick up individuals for deportation without a warrant absent a clear flight risk. So going and warning people that ICE is coming for them could be argued as obstructing law enforcement from executing warrants, or from complying with the decree, which is unlawful conduct rather than protected expression. Whether Evelyn knew about the consent decree is irrelevant in asking whether officers violated her freedom of expression rights.
A Fourth Amendment claim, however, would require the officers to show probable cause not only that Evelyn obstructed the enforcement of a court order, but that she did so intentionally (obstruction generally requires intent). Assuming DHS shows probable cause for arrest, they would still have to find a way to argue that dragging Evelyn out of her car and kneeling on her neck was objectively reasonable in response to a relatively low level, nonviolent crime of obstruction.
~Max
You best check your facts, Max. Warning about police presence and filming police has long been held as protected by the first amendment in courts. There is already precedence for that.
To be charged with obstruction, you’d have to be doing something else in the process other than just providing information. Like physically obstructing the police, for example.
An easy example is when people flash their lights to warn other motorists of a cop. Totally legal. Cops may not like it but it’s legal.
This is Shitty. A family friend wanted to go onto the Disney Cruise Line.
Now, they’re FUCKED.
If ICE does roust me out of bed at two in the morning one night, I must remember it might have nothing at all to do with what my browsing history looks like. After all, my apartment building is full of Hispanic people and Muslims. And gestapo raids are already happening in my once free city.
After all, I don’t want to be alarmist or anything.
And Max S., I remember you from my rant against Pope Julius saying people should start having loads of babies they don’t want or risk being selfish in the eyes of God. You were a gigantic sack of contrarian wind then, and I can see you haven’t changed.
Do the hallways smell really good around dinner time??
Asking for a (hungry) friend.