What if white kids beat up a black kid wearing a “kill whitey” T-shirt?
Diogenese, your opinions on racism are seriously fucked.
I don’t condone the shirt, at all. But in the immortal words of Judge Wapner, “Words shall never evoke a battery.”
It’s sickening all around.
I’m not sure what your case is. Is your case that I’m a sinner for being happy that the guy got thumped on the head, even though I advocate punishment for the thumper?
Daniel
That’s my case, anyway.
Well not the “sinner” part. I don’t believe in god or sin.
But I do think you and everybody else here who said as much is an asshole for “being happy that the guy got thumped on the head”.
Sorry to double post, but to preempt the inevitable Diogenes response of “Poor peckerwoods, discriminated against for hundreds of years” bullshit…
I submit:
Racism cannot really be addressed globaly any more. In my experience it’s more local. As in zipcode by zipcode, neighborhood by neighborhood, street by street.
I, for one, have certainly been on the receiving end far more often than the dishing it out end, whether in affluent Chicago suburbs, Chicago proper, or Tupelo, MS.
It’s NOT OKAY to be racist against whites any more than it is to be racist against blacks.
If only I could convince my sster of that. 
Then it’s a sad world, and I will cry myself to sleep tonight.
Daniel
Wuss.
You’re not arguing that the young man was assaulted for being white, are you?
If you are harkening back to your “Would it be okay if a black kid wore a ‘Kill Whitey’ t-shirt” question,
This is simply a variation on “Why can’t I use the word ‘nigger’?”
If you were going to make an equivalent t-shirt, you would have to find one that recalls an event or period in time when organized groups of African Americans went around lynching white people or dragging them behind their car. If you can do so, perhaps you could evoke equivalent fear and anger among white people who see the shirt.
I wouldn’t recommend that anyone wear a “Kill Whitey” shirt, but really, the only image it evokes for me is Garrett Morris’ SNL song, “I’m gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whiteys I see.” Which makes me smile more than anything, so it really isn’t equivalent.
So in sum, poor peckerwoods, discriminated against for hundreds of years…
Daniel,
Give me a fucking break. I’d think you of all people (gay) should be able to see both sides.
If big burly hairy chested “bear” queers were running around bashing “breeders” in the head, for wearing “AIDS: Kills Fags Dead” shirts, would that be okay too?
Should the shirt they’re wearing really make a difference?
I think I get it now. If you’re an ignorant asshole, it’s okay for me to beat you to a bloody pulp.
Let’s make it equivalent. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that there’s a tradition in a particular neighborhood of black gangs catching white kids, tying their hands together, and then releasing attack dogs on them and watching the white kids get torn apart. It’s a form of terroristic murder that the black gang has traditionally practiced against white kids in this area. (If you don’t like the particular form of brutal, terroristic murder that I chose as an example, feel free to insert your own specifics, as long as the specifics include brutality, terrorism, and a tradition).
Now let’s say that a black kid comes to school wearing a shirt that depicts a cartoon of such a murder, depicts it as a hilarious, wonderful event.
Now let’s say that a white kid confronts the black kid about the t-shirt; the black kid is unrepentant; and the white kid thumps the black kid in the head.
Hell yes, I’d be happy at the white kid’s action. I’d call for his punishment, but I wouldn’t shed a tear for the black kid.
Daniel
Buh? Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I’m a breeder.
Okay in what sense? If a guy is wearing such a shirt and gets thumped in the head by a gay man standing nearby, I’d call for the punishment of the gay man and be happy that the asshole got thumped in the head.
Absolutely it makes a difference in whether I’m happy that they got thumped in the head. If they’re wearing a polo shirt, I’m not happy. If they’re wearing a shirt rejoicing in terroristic murder of another group, a little bit of glee at their thumping occurs.
No: if you are a serial killer, it’s okay for me to give you a dirty look.
No, wait: it looks like both of us are exaggerating the argument in question in order to make the other side look absurd. How about we both give up the exaggerations, what say?
I’m not saying that ignorant assholes should get thumped; I’m saying that people who go out of their way to express glee in brutal traditions of racist murder don’t get my sympathy when they get thumped. I’m not saying that poeple who go out of their way to express glee in brutal traditions of racist murder won’t get my sympathy if they get beat to a bloody pulp; I’m saying that they won’t get my sympathy if someone reacts to their glee by thumping them in the head.
Daniel
“harkening back”??? WTF are you talking about?
And don’t misquote me you asshole.
Who said anything about “Okay if he wore it?” I said “Okay if he got jumped and beat down for it”.
That’s 90% of my point Einstein.
Yes. I want to call all the black people I meet, including my black friends who outnumbered the white people at my house tonight, NIGGERS.
And minus thirty cool points to the first person who insinuates that by claiming I have black friends I must be a racist.
FUCK YOU you asshole what a dickheaded assumption.
Really? It has to be lynchings or car draggings to make murder acceptable evidence of racism in your dim world view?
Piss on that.
By your rationality another 100,000 innocents would have to be killed to “even the score”.
You obviously ignored my post about local vs global racism.
Sigh. That was a funny song. Like some other songs were funny too. A funny song which MAKES FUCKING FUN OF RACISM FOR THE POINT OF TRYING TO KILL IT OFF does not now, and will never help your stupid ignorant point.
Our scholars have studied your post and found it to be totally without merit.
First, apologies for misconstruing your sexuality. I misread that at some point. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
And I do like you, and I do respect you and your posts… I am not trying to flame you, I do truly want to understand this alien worldview.
But let’s parse that statement…
Combined with the previous “happy” statement, it sounded like you were expressing that very “glee” yourself.
It’s simple human nature, to not feel bad when a jerk gets his. There is the feeling of “he brought it on himself”. We all know it’s not right to go smashing people on the head. We all know vigilante “justice” is a bad thing. Nobody said the puncher should not get punished in some way. But come on. If I go to Brooklyn or the diamond district with a “Hitler was right” shirt, common sense tells me my ass is gonna get kicked. If I go to Watts or Compton with a “kill niggers” shirt, common sense again tells me my ass is gonna get stomped again. Whether the beating is right or wrong, common sense tells me it is a stupid thing to do.
Standard disclaimer: I would never wear shirts like that, as I don’t believe in that ignorant stuff. However, there are people at the shallow end of the gene pool who just might.
I’m expressing glee in brutal traditions of racist murder?
(I think I know what you’re saying, but if I do, you’re still exagerrating my position unforgivably, just as I would be if I claimed that you were castigating me for glaring at a serial killer).
Daniel
Well, truthfully I read it this way, and should have posted it as such in the first place, as I also read a bit of hyperbole in the statement:
Nobody got murdered in the OP, so I think it’s a fair exclusion.
I’ll repeat: "In
It’s not really the same since there is no equivalent HISTORY of blacks “killing whitey” and a slogan like that would not evoke memories of such a real and recent atrocity as that against James Byrd, but if a black person was truly being provocative and insulting then I would understand if he got thumped in the head. I never said it was ok to hit the redneck kid anyway, I said it was WRONG. I also said i took some satisfaction in it. It’s an honest emotional reaction. We all sometime take pleasure in something we know is wrong. SteveG1 likened it to eating a whole box of chocolates. The analogy that came to mind for me when I was writing the OP was sleeping with a friend’s hot girlfriend. You know it’s wrong but you’d be lying if you said you didn’t enjoy it.
How so? Should I be FOR it? 
I agree. But that doesn’t mean that some illegal batteries can’t be more understandable than others.
[quoteSorry to double post, but to preempt the inevitable Diogenes response of “Poor peckerwoods, discriminated against for hundreds of years” bullshit…[/quote]
This is not an empty point. White people in America have never been an oppressed minority, have never endured anything like slavery or Jim Crow and have never been the target of REAL, not hypothetical lynchings and institutional racism. When it comes to emotional responses to racism, history is a giant factor which cannot just be swept aside. A “Kill Whiey” shirt and a shirt depicting black men being dragged behind a car are not symmetrical examples because the HISTORIES are not symmetrical.
I can give you that 100%, SteveG1. However, I get a little angry when people like Diogenese “infer” that there is no such thing as racism against whites, or that it’s acceptable.
For the record, and maybe in contradiction to everything I’ve posted, I’d have probably kicked the guy’s ass myself, hopefully before any black people saw it, for multiple reasons.
It was stupid and sick.
But I think the “glee” I’ve seen in this thread amounts to nothing but more racism.
No, you should use your fucking BRAIN.
I know you have one, I’ve seen evidence on several non-consecutive occasions.
As to the rest, I think my last post addresses your arguments.
I will try to carry on a rational discussion if we can’t reach a common ground.
But he’s not past daddy offering words of guidance.
That is part of parenting, and it isn’t just for the first 18 years but a life long obligation.
The dad copped out.
Which apparently is his style of parenting.